Stop baggin HSVs

[SkylineKiller]

You skyline drivers are so narrow minded.

HSVs are not slow.

you have to compait cars stock.

A stock R33 GTS-t runs

($25000)

0-100 in 6.95 seconds

0 - 160 in 15 seconds

400 m in 14.5 @ 157kph (High performance imports mag)

A stock 297kw LS2 clubsport runs

($67000)

0-100 in 4.99 sec

0 - 160kph in 11.85 seconds

400m in 13.01 seconds @ 178kph (motor magazine

(have seen slower times but these were motors quickest) )

R33 GTR stock

($100,000 new)

0-100 in 5 flat

0 - 160 in 12 seconds

400m in 13.3 seconds @167kph (High performance imports mag)

Now im a true HSV/Holden fan. But ill give credit to a good car.

The GTR is a good car. It will beat a HSV from standstill. But... stock. A LS2 HSV is

quicker than a Stock R34 GTR from a roll.... or after 60 kph

Stock R34 GTR 100 - 200kph in 11.5 seconds (British motormag)

VT GTS 300kw(brit version GEN III) in 10.0 seconds

Here is a link to a acceleration graph (GTR vs HSV vs GTS-t)

http://www.geocities.com/firebladejay/compair.JPG

You can see how the GTR launchs ahead, but gets realed in by the Clubby

Below. You can see GTRs 4WD advantage from 0 - 60kph

R33 GTR 0 - 60kph = 2.5 seconds (British car mag)

Clubsport R8 0 - 60 = 2.7 seconds (Motor)

But when tracktion is no longer an issue you can see the rolling performance of the clubsport

R33 GTR 60 - 100kph = 2.5 seconds (British car mag)

Clubsport R8 60 - 100kph = 2.3 seconds (Motor)

And more so up top

GTR 100 - 160 = 8 seconds (Brit car mag)

Clubsport 100 - 160 = 6.75 seconds (motor)

LS2 will obviously be alot quicker due to better top end breathing and high torque.

Now lets compair the The stock 297kw Clubsport with a stock GTS-t

A stock R33 GTS-t runs

0-100 in 6.95 seconds

0 - 160 in 14.2 seconds

400 m in 14.5 @ 157kph

A stock 297kw LS2 clubsport runs

0-100 in 4.99 sec

0 - 160kph in 11.85 seconds

400m in 13.01 seconds

A stock 297kw LS2 clubsport runs (On a bad day)

0-100 in 5.5 sec

0 - 160kph in 12.2 seconds

400m in 13.55 seconds

Now which car looks slow?

You cannot compair a stock car with a modified car.

Lets compair 2 equally, lightly modded GTS-t and HSV

225Rwkw GTS-T (60rwkw more than standard)

400m in 12.98 @ 107mph

287Rwkw LS2 Clubsport (60rwkw more than standard)

12.48 @ 113.7 mph

It apears that an equally worked Clubsport is still faster than the GTS-t with high MPH, which means top end wise.... the clubsport is pulling away from the GTS-t

My point is... stock bagging out HSVs saying there slow... cause obviously there not.

Yes there are 300rwkw GTS-ts..... but u cant compair it to a stock Clubsport... and then say its slow. Cause a stock Clubby will chew a stock Skyline.

[Jay95R33]

Another dribble post..........

[JAS-25T]

LS2 clubsport?

didnt know they came out in australia yet......

[Fly_With_Sky]

have a look in the other thread where you posted the same thing basically.

Not all people on here think hsv's are slow ok. Many think they are good but like skylines better. So, dont go out and generalise that we are ALL narrow minded, because if you think that then it is you sir who are narrow minded...

[SkylineKiller]

LS2s have been out for 2 months now.

Minimum of 297Kw LS2

Clubsport

0-100 in 4.99

400m in 13.01 @178kph

New GTS (mid year) 373kw LS2

0-100 in low 4s

400m in mid 12s

[Abo Bob]

I love how the comparison is between a 7 to 10 year old car and a brand new (is it even out yet?) car.

1994 Clubsport is how quick?

There are also these things called corners which some of us like.

[JCMarshall_Law]

I dont think anyony would say a HSV is slow, obviously they are not. But I think the skylines are infinatly better designed cars.

As a mechanical engineer it is hard to admit that the Jap's design better cars than the Australians, I don't think it has anything to do with skill of indervidual engineers (Australians are renound for their engineering invention) but it has more to do with the market. Australians, as a market, aren't to interested in elegance in engineering design, most people are more interested in having a bloody big donk up front (5.7 L V8).

I have owned both skylines and Holdens (VL and VP), I can tell you, the skyline is an infinatly better car than both the commodores put together. I'd be happy to walk around and compare the stone age design concepts in the commodores compared with the well thought out, designed and constructed skyline. The biggest one that comes to mind is the suspension setup on both cars, its like comparing chalk and cheese.

Just compare a race prep skyline (group A) with a race prep commorore (V8 supercar), there is NOTHING origional in a V8 supercar, everything from the suspension to chassis are redesigned. Eg; most V8 teams use A arm suspension which is a major design change from the standard struts. A GTR skyline, on the other hand, basically things are just strengthened, there is no major design changes (eg; they come stock with full A arm suspension).

And think about this:

Skylines are sports cars, Commodores / HSV are basically family cars.

If you had any Fu*kin idea what you were talking about you would realise that skylines are the better car.

[NickR33]

you don't get laid very often...do you?

[Brackez]

Your comparison is interesting, but you have missed one major point. You listed new prices for all cars, but an R33 can't be bought new. The reason for this is that YOU ARE COMPARING A BRAND NEW SPECIALIST-MADE (HSV not Holden) CAR TO AN 8-12 YEAR OLD ONE MADE BY A MAINSTREAM MANUFACTURER. You pillock. I am sure someone on this forum could provide you with some interesting performance figures for SPECIALIST Jap tuning house Skyline derivatives (Mines, Nismo etc) which would make your BRAND NEW HSV look rather second rate. No need though: buy a stock R33 GTR for $50k, spend the remaining $17k on engine-only mods and then compare 1/4 times.

When you are finished doing that, put the GTR with its relatively mild engine mods and STOCK suspension on a race track (with corners, you know corners? Where you have to change direction in that 1700kg behemoth?) with that VU you've wasted your money on and see what happens. Remembering all the time that you are losing to a car about 10 years older, which is far more driveable day to day and probably uses less fuel AND doesn't make as much noise.

Fool.

[wilch]

Holden's are fast, blah blah blah blah.

Pitty about their general build quality, and the attitude that every single Holden salesperson I and a mate have come across has had, ie. "I'm not here to sell you the car, you're here to buy it...so I'm not going to go out of my way to show you anything"......

Walk into a Ford dealership and get ready to be given gold class treatment in comparison.........

[Roy]

I love these threads, they are always good for a laugh:) Sooner or later ppl will start talking about GTRs were banned because the V8s were too slow (WRONG!!), blah, blah blah:(

I like anything with a bit of funk and performance, and i happen to have a Motor magazine that compares the R33 GTR with the VS HSV GTS-R, and on the twisty stuff the GTS-R left the GTR for dead:) It handled well enough, and puts its 225kw to the ground well enough that the as heavy GTR was caught off boost on slow corner exits etc etc. Given a bit of straight or a few hard stops though and the GTR was on top, it was also quicker from standign starts...but hey that would be putting forward the other side of the argument.

I own a Skyline, and i love Skylines...but LOL, i have seen a VK Brock Grp A own everything at Eastern Creek, including a black Nur R34 GTR so whatever:)

But then again i have a vid with Richard Burns driving Ferraris, Porsches, Lotus etc etc and the R33 GTR was the quickest car around a UK circuit....

Give me a VK Grp III, or a Brock VL Grp A, Motec Injection, Harrop crank and brakes...thrown together by Ian Tate, give it some nice 17" Simmons, Bilstein coil overs and watch some home grown muscle blow away just about everything at the local circuit:) Then again give me the saem money and i could build a GTR:)

I love rambling...ramble...ramble...blah, blah, blah:)

[JCMarshall_Law]

Just one more thing:

In my humble opinion, you're a wanker.

Pull your head out of the sand and use your own brain.

[Brackez]

Bugger! Other posts stole my thunder lol. Shouldn't have tried to write a novel in one post I suppose, but seriously what a clown :headshot:

[ylwgtr2]

:wavey: id still like to go anal......

[SkylineKiller]

1.) Chickys love the V8s mate. The 16 yr old teeni girls love the skylines.

The older women are the ones who want the V8s... cause the guys that drive them are men.

2.)ive never lost to a skyline, or GTR for that matter (have raced a silver R34 from perth, and a 430HP R32)

3.)My car doesnt look like a rice burner, and it has a lovely sound, and has power/torque anywhere in the rev range.. unlike turbos.

4.) my car hasnt cost me that much money.

5.)I like brute power... not whistling whining, pieces of shit.

Tell me..... if japanese technology is so great?

why can they not get 7500HP out of one of there engines.

A 540Ci supercharged keith black V8 makes 7500HP and 5000Nm of torque?

Most powerful jap engine I know of is a 1900HP Lexus V8 (ahah and it had to be a v8)

[Lukas]

:whackit:

[Roy]

Just compare a race prep skyline (group A) with a race prep commorore (V8 supercar), there is NOTHING origional in a V8 supercar, everything from the suspension to chassis are redesigned. Eg; most V8 teams use A arm suspension which is a major design change from the standard struts. A GTR skyline, on the other hand, basically things are just strengthened, there is no major design changes (eg; they come stock with full A arm suspension).

 

Hang on compare the VN Grp A or the VL Grp A Walkinshaw to the R32 Grp A Touring Car. The V8 Supercar is a entirely different set of rules.!!! ... Blimey, not another engineer:rolleyes:

AND LOL, the R32 Grp A was beaten by a VL at Bathurst, it didnt come close in the Shell Series, but it beat the GTRs at Bathurst...so if your going to throw stones, be careful.

[SkylineKiller]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

what a gay looking car

looks like 10 wrecked cars, put all back together again.

Except they put all the wrong parts back on

[awurth]

I guess all I can say is "Agreed"

[wilch]

Dude, you're all over the place with your points. Just make one, and back it up. But really who cares.

You're acting like a guy that's just been told by another guy that his dick is small. Now the other guy doesn't know if the guy's dick is really small or not, nor does he give a crap, he's just saying it to piss him off. Now if the guy that has just been accused of having a small dick actually had a small dick, psychology tells us he's gonna start going on and on and on about how he does NOT have a small dick...

Now mate, you're coming across just like that guy with the small....