ABS on R32 Gtst

[SkyGTRline]

Hi all...

I wanted to get ABS for my R32 Gtst...

is it possible to get it from the GTR and put it into the Gtst???

Has anyone ever done this???

was it hard?

cost alot???

cheers

Andrew.

[xRHETTx]

ABS was an option for R32 GTSt's so you dont have to get it from a gtr. Apparently its a very costly and hard thing to put in, thats what ive heard.

[SkyGTRline]

damn... thanx mate...

damn non ABS.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

^ This is all the stuff you'll have to wire up. Not sure if you'll have to replace any parts, but i think non-abs models have some slightly different parts for rear subframe.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

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[T0nyGTSt]

It's generally considered non practical to install ABS to a non-ABS car.

It's also the consensus that Skylines do not need ABS given that they have such excellent brakes. If you can drive properly ABS is not necessary.

T.

[sammus]

It's generally considered non practical to install ABS to a non-ABS car.

It's also the consensus that Skylines do not need ABS given that they have such excellent brakes. If you can drive properly ABS is not necessary.

T.

i concur. good post

[Gts-t]

i concur. good post

dreaming....

[sammus]

i just prefer less computer processing between me and the road; in this sort of car (but of course can see the upside)... taking intelligence out of driving. me and my opinion will happily continue dreaming

[Gts-t]

i just prefer less computer processing between me and the road; in this sort of car (but of course can see the upside)... taking intelligence out of driving. me and my opinion will happily continue dreaming

you will need the intelligence taken out of driving when you have no choice but to hit the brakes as hard as possible, i dont care how good you think you are in extreme cases abs will allow you more options that a non abs equiped car.

Does a car with the brakes locked sliding not take a longer distance to stop? Or would you hit whatever you had locked the brakes for at a faster speed thus more damage/disaster?

Im sure an abs equiped car will stop in a shorter distance than a no abs car. if you think you can do with your feet what the abs unit does once the brakes are locked then i would be extremely impressed. Especially say when the road is wet :headspin:

You have to remmeber the unit only does its thing once the brakes have locked up, by then you have ****ed up and need the intelligence taken out.

Also im quite happy to be proven wrong.....

[sammus]

i believe the max a top track driver can do is 6 pumps of the brakes per second. i am not disagreeing with your post, i know the facts and that rolling friction stops faster than sliding friction... however i'm quite happy with the skylines brakes to not have abs. after saying all this i'll be even more so unhappy than supposed if i slide into a tree on a rainy day haha.

[T0nyGTSt]

People blame the lack of ABS for having accidents - is that you?

I've driven cars that have a ABS systems that crap on the mid 90's setups Skylines have.

My feeling is that ABS is for cars with weak brakes and poor drivers - is that you?

I'd rather drive a car with 300mm discs and four piston calipers and 235/45/17 fronts than a car with 260mm discs, two pistons and 205/60/16 and ABS.

ABS is a crutch for poor driving and poor drivers.

A good driver can stop in lesser distance in any condition that an average driver who just slams on the brakes like a fool and hopes ABS can save him.

I strongly believe in increasing skill and not increasing reliance on flawed technology.

T.

[Roy]

I have never missed not having ABS on my R32 whilst driving on the road, not once in 5 years. BUT, there has been two times where at the track it would have saved me from flat spotting a front semi clisck:(

I liek tha fact that I AM braking the car...liek i said except for those two instances, both of which were in wet -> drying conditions so put the car off line and it was easy for a tool like me to lock up:(

[Gts-t]

People blame the lack of ABS for having accidents - is that you?

I've driven cars that have a ABS systems that crap on the mid 90's setups Skylines have.

My feeling is that ABS is for cars with weak brakes and poor drivers - is that you?

I'd rather drive a car with 300mm discs and four piston calipers and 235/45/17 fronts than a car with 260mm discs, two pistons and 205/60/16 and ABS.

ABS is a crutch for poor driving and poor drivers.  

A good driver can stop in lesser distance in any condition that an average driver who just slams on the brakes like a fool and hopes ABS can save him.

I strongly believe in increasing skill and not increasing reliance on flawed technology.

T.

And these are all facts because you say so? yeh right...... :flamed:

[T0nyGTSt]

And these are all facts because you say so? yeh right...... :flamed:

I might tip the same hat at you. I'm only saying this is my opinion. I believe I made that very clear when I preface everything with "my feeling is" or "I strongly believe". I don't believe in reading all the manufacturers' spiel and regurgitating it like it's the gospel.

Having driven the very best which you might be lead to believe is a E series Mercedes with ABS and EBFD, I can see where plain good engineering in brakes and rotors beats a mass of electronics any day.

Like Roy I've locked it on the track but never on the road. That would make me believe that driver behaviour is the prime cause.

T.

[predator]

ABS is a waste of time.. again.. in 10 years of driving I've never had a situation that has called for it.. I've only had to lock the brakes up about once, and that all worked out fine. Likewise, I've never been in a car that has had an airbag that has gone off, but I am sure in an accident if one was there I'd use it but if it's not there then I'm not going out of my way to install one am I ?

Of course if you have it, why not.. but I am fine driving any car without it, as long as the brakes work as they are supposed to, there will be no problems.

[T0nyGTSt]

Everyone should drive a car like a Mercedes or BMW saloon with ABS, DSC, traction control and electronic brake force distribution.

And then try a simple R32 GTSt with plain 280mm discs and four pistons and no ABS

If you can't see where all these things have taken away from the driving experience, perhaps you need to join the legends of clueless drivers who need these crutches. I personally find driving our Mercs as the most remotely vague experience.

A car like the 32 GTSt is one of the most balanced cars available. Light with excellent brakes. For an above average driver, the 32 GTSt is as safe as anything made this year as long as one can work around the lack of ABS and bags.

I cannot forgive people who crash Skylines of their own accord - they are so actively safe I cannot imagine a car more able to avoid accidents.

T.

[Cubes]

ABS always has its place on the road around local streets.

Cruising around on 50/60km/h, you look down at your stereo for a fraction of a second look up and find a little kid in front of the car only meters away.

Your instant reaction is to jam the brakes and you do it with all your force.

The brakes lock, 1 second later you stop still with your brakes locked.

Within the first second or so of braking unless you are well prepared and not under such intense pressure there is no way that you will control your right foot 6 times per second. ABS will help reduce the speed of the car and lessen the impact.

Non-ABS does give you much more control and feel BUT it definitely has its place on the local streets.

I'm unsure how the Skylines ABS performs, I used to own a 96' Commodore that was fitted with abs, I was impressed with how the brakes reacted if they were to put in to such a condition above.

It has nothing to do with being a good driver or a bad driver. Every one makes mistakes. Every one will one day stuff up. Its just a matter of time.

[slow13dude]

People blame the lack of ABS for having accidents - is that you?

I've driven cars that have a ABS systems that crap on the mid 90's setups Skylines have.

My feeling is that ABS is for cars with weak brakes and poor drivers - is that you?

I'd rather drive a car with 300mm discs and four piston calipers and 235/45/17 fronts than a car with 260mm discs, two pistons and 205/60/16 and ABS.

ABS is a crutch for poor driving and poor drivers.  

A good driver can stop in lesser distance in any condition that an average driver who just slams on the brakes like a fool and hopes ABS can save him.

I strongly believe in increasing skill and not increasing reliance on flawed technology.

T.

Time to rip out that power steering as well. Power steering crutch for poor driving and poor drivers.

And get some worn out springs. Good suspension is a crutch for poor driving and poor drivers.

And lose the tyres with full tread. Good tyres are a crutch for poor driving and poor drivers

[Gts-t]

Time to rip out that power steering as well.  Power steering crutch for poor driving and poor drivers.

And get some worn out springs.  Good suspension is a crutch for poor driving and poor drivers.

And lose the tyres with full tread.  Good tyres are a crutch for poor driving and poor drivers

Haha, nice one slow13dude, my line of thinking there.

Thanks for providing some common sence joel i was struggling.

Although your comment about non abs giving you much more control i would have to disagree, you can press very hard without locking(any skyline), and its only then ONCE THE BRAKES ARE LOCKED that the abs does anything, i would say its a bonus rather than and hinderance (forgive spelling) as it only adds to the package and takes away nothing.

You have all the flexibilty of a car without with the added bonus of abs. The only people who should now be getting upset are the ones that actually want to slide and lock up there wheels?? not me

And tony the ABS on my car works great do u really think i care what u have to say about them compared to a car much more expensive and newer. Is anything else on the skylines crap, no, then why would the abs be so. Talk it up mate, just because your poverty pack didnt come with it.....

and btw i have never needed the abs on the street either, but its refreshing to know its there and can stop the car in less distance than your non abs equiped model.

First and last fact for u tony, a sliding car takes a longer distance to stop. you cant change that or there would be no such thing as abs!

26GTS