Women, 4WDs and carparks....... a recipe for disaster!

[Silver'sR33]

I really hate women in 4wd's...

I have seen one open her door on a new Ford XR6 turbo...I asked her to leave a note...her comment was...its only a car...

It's hard to believe anyone could be so inconsiderate and clueless huh??? Should go and kick in both her taillights, hey it's only a car!

[666DAN]

Went up for a feed at Market Square at Sunnybank the other night. They have sections of the car park blocked off with bolted in witches hats and signage on the ground in big white writing - 'NO PARKING" - and guess what I see. A bloody lady asian driver in a new toyota prado pull up park ONTOP of the witches hats . . . (wheels totally squashing the hats) - totally ignoring the BIG WHITE WRITING and the huge orange witches hats! Man i felt like walking over and smacking her in the brain!! - But i guess that is Sunnybank and you get that alot!!

If it was a white Prado...those cones are place out specifically for her to get a space...no joke!

[japtaxi]

Went up for a feed at Market Square at Sunnybank ....  

A bloody lady asian driver in a new toyota prado ...  

- But i guess that is Sunnybank and you get that alot!!

meh thats nothing to worry about.. try drive around them as they drive on the wrong side of the road(as well in carpark)

[Silver'sR33]

On ACA a few months ago they showed these 4wd mums in sydney picking their kids up from private schools, they were getting tickets for illegal parking etc and were just laughing in the parking officer's faces because the fines were nothing to them...

In Paris and London the mayors have said that they are strongly considering banning 4wds from the city as they are not made for it, congestion is a critical problem and any car that is larger than it needs to be is causing a lot of problems. They also showed that a large 4wd with a V8 is slower to accelerate (and stop obviously) than a hyundai excel. That means that in stop-start traffic, 4wds cause more traffic by causing a delay every time one has to accelerate. Just ban the damn things.

[Silver'sR33]

Actually, just put one line in 4wd rego forms:

"Warning: if another motorist or pedestrian is found to have suffered a fatality due your driving a 4wd without a professional reason you will be held liable for manslaughter"

That ought to scare a few clayfield mums off. Anyway, if you kill someone through negligence or inappropriate use of equipment with anything else it's manslaughter, so why not 4wds?

Imagine I'm licensed to own and use a rifle (or I don't even need a license). I'm using the rifle to open bottles in my front yard when I miss and kill a pedestrian walking past. The law would rule that I can't say it was just a freak accident since it's irresponsible to use a rifle to open a bottle.

Yet someone can use a 2 ton truck to go to the hairdresser, lose control on the way back and plough into a compact car killing the occupants and walk away without penalty.

[VL-TRBO-RB20]

yeah good point Silver'sR33 my sis's friend saw an old lady in the highpoint car park in melb try to reverse out of a car park and reversed into a parked car n after the bang she didn't stop just kept on reversing back took out the head light n front bumper n just drove off, so my sis's friend left her number plate n car description on her windscreen...

I personally think old people in big old cars made out of solid steel should be banned and them only made to drive excels n lanos's n stuff coz this old guy reversed into me and my car alarm went off tap i heard that and walked to my car n there is the huge chunk of paint taken out n when he came back all he sid touch up paint will fix it!!! Good luck with that u old fark

[samantha_21]

If it was a white Prado...those cones are place out specifically for her to get a space...no joke!

Nope, it was a bronzey goldy colour!

[Del Sol]

Nope, it was a bronzey goldy colour!

At least it wasn't green! :blah:

[The_Paladin]

great points again silversR33..........if you run for parliment, you've got my vote....

20 mins ago, walking to this net cafe. a woman driving a Range Rover stops dead in the middle of a crossing (it's peak hour here too, HEAPS of people around) because she tried to slip through the lights and didnt make it.

i dont care if it's sexist. IT'S TRUE. WOMEN SHOULD BE BANNED FROM USING 4WD............the men arn't much better........

[britto]

its a lot of the "rich-bitch" mums in the 4wd's that really annoy me  i went to school at Gregory Terrace in the city and the number of mums in 4wd that douple park and triple park people when picking up there kids is huge....they just sit there not letting anyone pass. I had to pick my brother up from a dance and got parked in for about 15mins

Hey liam doesn your mum drive a 4wd? lol just having a go at ya

Nah, Serious man i know how you feel. Its the "Oh i have a 4WD get the **** out of my way or my bull bar will crush you mentality. Sure kids can be annoying and can take the focus off your driving but at less 7km/h reversing? Thats just pathetic. These are the same 4WD drivers that speed pass you on the highway.

[Del Sol]

These are the same 4WD drivers that speed pass you on the highway.

Or into you

[EVO Cam]

I just hate 4wd's full stop. Middle-aged women driving them do seem to be worse, but frankly unless you're a cattle-farmer from the Simpson Desert on a trip to the city, if you drive a 4wd you're a stupid, inconsiderate prick. Why are imports blamed for road accidents when any 4wd who hits someone often turns a minor accident into a fatality, yet there's no goddamn fallout. Little while ago I heard about a father walking his two children home from school. Cross the road, 4wd comes around a corner without looking, can't slow down in time, hits them. Father loses a leg, both his daughters dead. People who drive 4wds feel safe...at the expense of anyone else's safety. I might feel safer if I walked around with a loaded assault rifle, but that's not legal - so what's the difference?

Anyway, I feel your pain JL, I think I saw your car at Repco about 2 sundays ago, that carpark is quite large up near the repco entrance, is that where she hit you? she musta backed out a looooong way

That's a very intelligent response isn't it.....

I take it personally that you think I'm a stupid, inconsiderate prick. I challenge you to come up to my office & say it to my face after I take you for a drive in my $80,000 "4wd" that would be safer than your bucket champ!

It's the driver not the car that's responsible.

Cam

[Silver'sR33]

That's a very intelligent response isn't it.....  

I take it personally that you think I'm a stupid, inconsiderate prick.  I challenge you to come up to my office & say it to my face after I take you for a drive in my $80,000 "4wd" that would be safer than your bucket champ!  

It's the driver not the car that's responsible.  

Cam

Well for a start I think everyone in this thread is referring to SUVs rather than vehicles that have all-wheel-drive in general.

Secondly how is it not an intelligent response? There's pages upon pages of evidence to show that SUVs are far more dangerous in rollover and crash testing, their height and placement of bullbars make fatalities almost a foregone conclusion in a side-impact accident and their added weight not only makes every accident they're in more serious, it also makes them more difficult to handle which means they ARE involved in more accidents. If the speed limits on our roads are intended to keep accidents down by forcing people to drive within their vehicle's (and their own personal) limits then does it make sense that large, clumsy vehicles are allowed to go just as fast as small, nimble ones?

SUVs are not subject to the same crash and rollover standards that every other private passenger vehicle is.

Their height makes line of sight a problem for other drivers and pedestrians, this also causes more accidents. On a global scale they add immeasurably to an already critical pollution problem in addition to rapidly depleting fossil fuels.

You're right - it is the driver, sometimes, but what about the times that accidents "happen"? Are your cars insured? Even the best drivers use insurance because they know that accidents are not always dependent on skill, and unnecessary fatalities ARE sometimes dependent on the vehicle you're driving. I'm sure your SUV feels safe to you, but how safe is it for everyone else?

I never meant that each SUV driver is "an inconsiderate prick" in a personal sense, and perhaps that can be too much construed as a personal attack. Far from intending to attack individuals I believe it is *widespread* SUVs that cause these problems, not each individual driving their individual SUVs. To drive around in a vehicle that you feel safe in at the expense of everyone else's safety....how is that NOT inconsiderate????

[Nexus9]

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[The_Paladin]

yeah, it is the driver. but there is a disproportiantly large amount of tools in 4WD's........

i'd rather be hit by anything than a 4WD with a bullbar............

[Slide]

ahh a truck with a bullbar?? sorry couldnt help myself

[Bobjones]

Just for a point, Cam drives a MDX Honda "SUV" and more specifically so does his wife...

Also please note that he is right it is the driver. All too often though people buy a big arse Toyota bucket (they get the piss taken out of them over here as well) because they can't drive....

Cam get ya G out its OK, I trust Ange t drive my car and that is saying alot you know.

Peace out Bro

See you when I get back, I owe you a dinner!!!

[The_Paladin]

even though a good driver getting behind the wheel of a 4WD doesnt make them a crap driver, and a good driver behind a 4WD is less dangerous than a dodgy one behind a small car........it's still also the car/tank that's the problem as well.................they're too hard to see past. Yeah buses are as well, but they're not as many of those about and there's a point to them.

the original 4WD's were designed to be offroad, that they do well. they're not suited for the road and shouldnt be on them. what excuse does someone have to drive them? so what if they like them, i like NOS........dosent give me the right to drive around with it.

[RedEmblem]

God, I saw the worst driving I've ever seen about one week ago. Kinda hard to explain, but basically if the driver had taken the time to properly turn the steering wheel and perhaps use some of the 5m of space around them they mightn't have hit the car. Instead of giving a half-arsed attempt at turning the wheel, then sliding the front left of their car down the right hand side of this other car - they actually continued to let their car move down the side of this parked car instead of breaking and reversing to prevent any more damage.

Old women of course.

[Silver'sR33]

Yeah I dunno, I think they're dangerous and worse, in the city they're unnecessary. I didn't intend to victimise individual SUV drivers, and to be honest something like the Honda MDX is NOT representative of the problem, that's a "small" 4wd compared to some.

The thing that gets me is, if they're more dangerous (which is a proven fact) and if they're unnecessary (if you need to take 7 kids to school get an Odyssey), why are they not only allowed but subsidised as they are not subject to passenger vehicle taxes?

Cam - I'm sure you and your wife are great drivers, and good drivers in small, relatively safe SUVs like the MDX (which are an anomaly in the vehicle class) aren't really the problem, except that the vehicle class itself causes problems and it's popularity is on the rise - partly because those subsidies makes them more affordable than they should be. The tax break was originally in place because 20 years ago 4wds were considered to be farmer's vehicles only and it was there to help primary producers.

More than half of all road users (which includes the 15% or so of 4wders) consider SUV drivers to be dangerous and inconsiderate - there might be something in that.