Damn Computers

[Nismo_Boy]

SE man, SE...

Ok you win.

[daler32]

Thats me on the left, strutto in the middle and some creepy guy who kept touching me in the pants on the right.

like i said in whore town there is always a reference to you either wanting or asking for some guy to touch you

Gay

[strutto]

like i said in whore town there is always a reference to you either wanting or asking for some guy to touch you

Gay

And that my friend gets you a 10 point warning...

[The Dan]

Thanx Adrian, where did you get that photo of me? It's uncanny how much it resembles me in every way.

[The Dan]

Are you new to computers?

No, I have been using computers since I was eight and have a diploma in Electronic Engineering computer systems.

1 x hardwire firewall/router

1 x XP install with personal firewall running and all non-essential services blocked (remember, DENY all and allow each port individually!)

1 x MS Anti Spyware

Problem is, I have no money - yes that's right, not even a spare $75 for a router.

And I think I know how to protect my computer. I am not talking about protecting myself from myself surfing. I am talking about a team of hackers constantly attacking me. keyword being TEAM. And with the 40 GB a month that I download, it is hard to sit there 24 hours a day and tell windows what to do.

Just use common sense. "Britneynaked.jpg..................pif" is still a pif. "Click here for free porn" is never free porn. Accepting files from people you dont know is stupid. Running an FTP/HTTP on common ports is asking to be pwned. Using MSN is asking to be pwned. Using IE in anything other than "Restriced Zones" is asking to be pwned. Etc.

What, do you think I'm a complete idiot?

For the casual hax0r, a loonix box with a default install is easier to hop into than a windows box  Hello plenty of installed services that are all open and left with default settings!

Well, what do I say here.....BRING IT ON!!! lol.

I'm interested to know how linux "outpowers" windows too, is this a tractor pulling contest? X Windows is slow and clunky and needs a 3Ghz machine to run anything more hardcore than KDE.

Linux does a huge 5hit all over the front of Windows. I have never had so many problems with an operating system before. I gotta format every 2 months because of the crap that filled my HD.

Sure...at the end of the day, I could sit there and block everything and just not interact with my computer in any way. But, truth is, I enjoy viewing web pages and general internet nonsense. If I didn't download so much every month or download the things I do (and that's not porn either so don't go there) then I probably wouldn't have these problems,

I was just sick of windows, so I wanted to try something different.

Oh I almost forgot to ask...is that alright?

[Eug]

And that my friend gets you a 10 point warning...

can these "points" be redeemed for candy and stickers?

cant we all just get along and use macs (p.s - mac eats pooh)

[krawler]

I was just sick of windows, so I wanted to try something different.  

Oh I almost forgot to ask...is that alright?

Now thats a reason I can understand.

Still a bit miffed as to how we can move a similiar amount of traffic on two XP boxes without a drama. Ever.

[Ska]

Intraweb <-> hardware router firewall <-> Linux based iptables box <-> Linux based ipchains box <-> windows 2000

I have never had any problems with having to format my w2k machine, never had problems with script kiddies nor other misc h4x0r teams, then again I also wear my alfoil cap to stop the cia from reading my thoughts with thier gps satelites :paranoid:

Anyway, good on you for trying something new col

[NismoGirl]

I have never had any problems with having to format my w2k machine, never had problems with script kiddies nor other misc h4x0r teams, then again I also wear my alfoil cap to stop the cia from reading my thoughts with thier gps satelites :paranoid:

[Jev]

For the h4x0rs out there .. Knoppix STD is where it's at.

[Ska]

Erin's got the idea, although I didnt know krawler let you take pics of him when he was on the radio with me threatening to change channells

[The Dan]

Read. I will post more if you need me to.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20817

[ferni]

Sounds like all you needed to do was stop using IE. Firefox is good

I can show you 'case studies' of MS being cheaper/better/more secure to run than Linux - would you belive it?

*nix is good stuff, good for servers, bit of overkill for the casual user on a desktop, but as with just about any OS, it comes down to the admin - i run a FreeBSD box as a firewall/router and whatever else i need to and a unfirewalled XP box behind it with firefox as my browser, no problems, even a few months ago when i was still using IE no problems, no spyware - just dont click the 'yes install spyware on my computer' buttons and keep it patched and you should be right as well. The marjoity of users end up with spyware on thier PC because they don't know any beter - thats fine. But you shouldn't need to go to *nix to stop spyware, just change browsers and use some common sense.

As for being hacked by some group, not sure what you're into but real hackers wouldn't mess around with a normal individual, not worth thier time.. maybe you mean script kiddies? if so just stop doing whatever you're doing to attract thier attention (usually something to do with IRC). Get an old box from somewhere (usually can pick one up free from somewhere - i throw out old machines all the time) install *nix on it and use it as a router/firewall.

But its always a good experience using *nix as a desktop, most people can't hack it for long.

No, I have been using computers since I was eight and have a diploma in Electronic Engineering computer systems.  

Problem is, I have no money - yes that's right, not even a spare $75 for a router.

And I think I know how to protect my computer. I am not talking about protecting myself from myself surfing. I am talking about a team of hackers constantly attacking me. keyword being TEAM.  And with the 40 GB a month that I download, it is hard to sit there 24 hours a day and tell windows what to do.  

What, do you think I'm a complete idiot?

Well, what do I say here.....BRING IT ON!!! lol.

Linux does a huge 5hit all over the front of Windows. I have never had so many problems with an operating system before. I gotta format every 2 months because of the crap that filled my HD.  

Sure...at the end of the day, I could sit there and block everything and just not interact with my computer in any way. But, truth is, I enjoy viewing web pages and general internet nonsense. If I didn't download so much every month or download the things I do (and that's not porn either so don't go there) then I probably wouldn't have these problems,

I was just sick of windows, so I wanted to try something different.  

Oh I almost forgot to ask...is that alright?

[krawler]

What Win32 systems are they comparing to these linux boxes? I went hunting on the website they link to, but got lost in crap I didnt care about and then ran out of patience and interest.

If said Win32 systems were unpatched Win95, Win98FE, Win 3.11 and NT4, then of course its gonna get pwned. Winblows was never designed with the levels of network connectivity that we see today, so its no wonder the original releases had such dramas. *nix has been network orientated from the start, so you'd hope they'd have some sort of default security in place. I'd like to see any patched version of Windows put out there, against patched *nix. That, to me, would be a far more accurate test in terms of real world results. Who the hell runs a default Win98FE install anymore? Well, except Nismoboy up there ^^

The fact is the default *nix security is pretty lax. Pretty much every dist runs lots of services from a default install, although this trend is changing (as outlined in the article) toward fewer and fewer default services. A default windows box has pretty much no services running. You dont install XP and have a web server, ftp server, daytime, finger, telnet, ssh, etc etc all running. You get XP and a few open ports for ridiculous inventions like MSN (worst. program. ever. DIE DIE DIE) and uPnP (aka Tea And Biccie Welcome Commity For Hax0rs). A few patches later and most threats are gone, although you'll never fully protect against clueless losers who accept "fun.exe" over MSN and happily install ActiveX controls marked "W1ndow5 Update" from porn sites. Oh and click on "www.freehost.com/~randomname/thisisfunny.pif" ... And click on a button marked "Click here for free porn!" yet when you hover it shows that it links to "www.hax0r.com/l33t/win32/pwn_me.cab"

Moral of story: Win32s main problem is (1) Its the biggest share of the market, thus there is more to be gained from exploiting it and (2) Its users are a bunch of clueless chumps.

[The Dan]

Sounds like all you needed to do was stop using IE. Firefox is good

I can show you 'case studies' of MS being cheaper/better/more secure to run than Linux - would you belive it?

*nix is good stuff, good for servers, bit of overkill for the casual user on a desktop, but as with just about any OS, it comes down to the admin - i run a FreeBSD box as a firewall/router and whatever else i need to and a unfirewalled XP box behind it with firefox as my browser, no problems, even a few months ago when i was still using IE no problems, no spyware - just dont click the 'yes install spyware on my computer' buttons and keep it patched and you should be right as well. The marjoity of users end up with spyware on thier PC because they don't know any beter - thats fine. But you shouldn't need to go to *nix to stop spyware, just change browsers and use some common sense.

As for being hacked by some group, not sure what you're into but real hackers wouldn't mess around with a normal individual, not worth thier time.. maybe you mean script kiddies? if so just stop doing whatever you're doing to attract thier attention (usually something to do with IRC). Get an old box from somewhere (usually can pick one up free from somewhere - i throw out old machines all the time) install *nix on it and use it as a router/firewall.

But its always a good experience using *nix as a desktop, most people can't hack it for long.

I tried every different browser I could. I was thinking of running a linix box but if you knew my dad then you would know that I have enough trouble with one computer running let alone the power usage of two.

I didn't mean script kiddies either. I did something bad and it pi55ed off their leader or some 5hit. They got all cut at me and started to make threats. So I got angry and made some alterations to their email accounts. Then they started attacking me. I was like...why me, what did I do? lol. They'll get over it.

They weren't the problem really. I know how to protect myself. But it didn't if I disabled active x controls or ran the best spayware adware blockers/removers, they just kept coming. I was constantly cleaning them out. I do use IRC constantly. I am aware of the risks involved and wasn't too concerned. I have never found anything that has brought my system down to it's knees.

The main reason was really just to learn something new. I have run linux before but went back to windows as I didn't know much about it. This time I am determined to learn it. I know every other OS fluently. I went back and learned assembly agian for god's sake, I have the patience.

[Nismo_Boy]

didn't mean script kiddies either. I did something bad and it pi55ed off their leader or some 5hit. They got all cut at me and started to make threats. So I got angry and made some alterations to their email accounts. Then they started attacking me. I was like...why me' date=' what did I do? lol.

No offence, but this sounds too funny. “War 0f t3h n3rds”

[Keegs]

didn't mean script kiddies either. I did something bad and it pi55ed off their leader or some 5hit. They got all cut at me and started to make threats. So I got angry and made some alterations to their email accounts. Then they started attacking me. I was like...why me' date=' what did I do? lol.

No offence' date=' but this sounds too funny. “War 0f t3h n3rds”[/quote']

im going to hax0r your email account in the most l337 way known to man...trying to guess your secret question...

[krawler]

'sif his password isnt "penis", or a variation of.

When I had an in4free account (remember that isp back in the day?) my password was 'weepoobum'... How stupid did I feel giving that over the phone when I needed something changed?

[ferni]

Hide the box in the cupboad, he'll never know, besides a headless box (all a *nix box needs) takes stuff all power - less than your mums hairdryer probably

Well there you go if you annoyed them on IRC and you keep using the same nick/hanging out with the same people then your in for a script war. Good luck

I tried every different browser I could. I was thinking of running a linix box but if you knew my dad then you would know that I have enough trouble with one computer running let alone the power usage of two.

 

I didn't mean script kiddies either. I did something bad and it pi55ed off their leader or some 5hit. They got all cut at me and started to make threats. So I got angry and made some alterations to their email accounts. Then they started attacking me. I was like...why me, what did I do? lol. They'll get over it.  

They weren't the problem really. I know how to protect myself. But it didn't if I disabled active x controls or ran the best spayware adware blockers/removers, they just kept coming. I was constantly cleaning them out. I do use IRC constantly. I am aware of the risks involved and wasn't too concerned. I have never found anything that has brought my system down to it's knees.  

 

The main reason was really just to learn something new. I have run linux before but went back to windows as I didn't know much about it. This time I am determined to learn it. I know every other OS fluently. I went back and learned assembly agian for god's sake, I have the patience.

[R33S2]

I am a Microsoft Certifed Professional and all the top ppl at microsoft(aust) told me they dont use Windows on the net as it cant be protected, all it takes is a simple key combo to gain acces to any win system designed by microsoft intentionly