Compak Attak aftermath thread

[Mik]

Hey Mik, so much for the "You'll need 11's to qualify, low 11's"  16th qualifier in SR was 12.766!

Alright...alright...hehe I expected alot of quicker cars to be there

[BU5TER]

There was a number of instances where the rules were applied when they clearly shouldn't have, and vice versa. However, I did notice that the starter would not allow a car to stage because there were track officials checking the track after a pass.

The biggest brain explosion by officials in my eyes was Craig Melbourne's blue Mazfix RX3. In the elimations of Oz Mod, he was on a solo pass, and as he always does, he ripped the biggest burnout of the day (past the start line) and the starter decided to be anal and kicked him out. The crowd reacted by going from cheering and clapping Craig to jeering and booing the starter. he did let him run but no tiume was given and he was eliminated, ironically, on a solo pass!).

I'm 99% sure he wasn't kicked for doing the burnout but crossing the centre line while doing the burnout

[2rismo]

Rules went out the window towards eliminations. The little Civic (STU88E) was 200 lbs under weight but still took 2nd in a class for which he was completley ineligable. Nice bloke, awesome car but what a load of steaming crap.

Someone builds their car to comply with the rules and to be competitive and someone flaunting the rules (with the organisers say so) gets to take the trophy.

BAH! This is why NSW needs a Sports Compact Advisory Commitee.

Adrian

[DoughBoy]

Someone builds their car to comply with the rules and to be competitive and someone flaunting the rules (with the organisers say so) gets to take the trophy

It's DYO, who gives a shit in the end cause it doesn't matter what time you run. Only how consistent.

Give some examples of people who have built up a car to compete in these Sport Compact DYO brackets?

[NXTIME]

I'm 99% sure he wasn't kicked for doing the burnout but crossing the centre line while doing the burnout

Yes, he did both, so the starter had two reasons to kick him out. If he was racing someone else, then I have no problem with the decision, but all he had to do was stage and he progresses to the next round. Instead of taking the easy way out, he gave it his all, no matter what. He loves his burn outs (as did the crowd) and also drives the car hard all the time, always putting on a show for crowd - this is one of the facets that attracts people to such events.

Hopefully the event is a step towards a bigger and better Sport Compact future in Australia.

[MrBlonde]

The highlight of the event was when we abused Adrian from the other side of the track while he was playing patty cake with the media guys. :-)

I totally agreed with the starter for disqualifying the blue 20B RX3. The rules are no burnouts past the line for that class and the guy did a huge long burnout. Self indulgent and time wasting. The crowd approved .. of course because the crowd are a bunch of dumbshits who would pay to watch a burnout competition.

With the 20 seconds to stage business, it is the starter's discretion not an automatically timed thing.

The number of automatic turbo rotaries that couldn't get up on the converter for either the burnout or the launch was astounding. Clearly there are a lot of sport compact racers who think low ET wins the race.

There were also a number of racecars that stalled after their burnout, yet were allowed to restart and stage. The Queen Street car was basically allowed to do anything at all and still put down a pass.

The communication between the ANDRA officials and the track announcers was appalling. At one point during eliminations they had no idea which class was runnijg. Since there were grudge races, it was hard to tell what was going on.

I guess all this is the growing pains you must expect when a sport is in it's infancy and many of the soft rules will get a lot firmer onec full 16 car fields front up for each class.

[2rismo]

It's DYO, who gives a shit in the end cause it doesn't matter what time you run. Only how consistent.

Give some examples of people who have built up a car to compete in these Sport Compact DYO brackets?

Chris, just because you don't like DYO drag racing doesn't mean you're equipped to comment. You don't like DYO but IF you build a car, where will you race? You obviously have no desire to be competitive in the Sport Compact brackets as you haven't competed in any S.C. events as yet and seem content to sit in the stands and hang shit on how the world works.

I don't have to give you examples of shit. Use your brain. Everyone competing in a DYO based class has built their car for that purpose. Go bench race somewhere else, Spectator Jones.

Adrian

[DoughBoy]

Only going to reply once to that, will start a new thread re:ANDRA rules to continue on the saga.

Nice backflip on your previous comments:

Not very hard considering the local scen fu(king SUCKS!  AWD racing RWD is BULL$HIT!

Sports Compact Racing is garbage while:

RWD races AWD in the same series

and

DYO racing features minimum weights...

Adrian

If you felt compelled to post something like that, why would you support it by competing? Surely you have a bit more backbone that that? But this is a class that Jason O'Hallaran has even said was changed due to input from community members. He mentioned he spoke to you in depth about it.. so you represent the SAU community? People like 600hp, T88OnBoard, NV033, Bu5ter, MrBlonde, Judd, Theo etc. are all spending big dollars on cars to go fast - why would they want a DYO class when they are aiming to be the quickest? The amount of power and lack of traction would prove to be a very poor choice of bracket wacker, even more so with a manual transmission. Not a very smart choice, hey?

I've stopped work on building a car until the rules settle down to something a bit more acceptable. I'm not willing to build a PRO class car - that's a money pit and a half even with some serious sponsorship. Until a time comes up where there is a heads up, street registered class I won't give it a second thought.

As for giving examples on cars built up towards the current rules, hell not even two hours ago you came out with:

Someone builds their car to comply with the rules and to be competitive and someone flaunting the rules (with the organisers say so) gets to take the trophy.

Obviously to post that you would have some idea as to what you are talking about, I seriously doubt you would post something you had no idea about?

Oh, and please help me understand your concept of bench racing. With my elderly fading memory I can't quite remember posting anything about how quick I am going to run, hell even details of what I am going to run.

Edit: Left out a couple of things:

1) This event was touted as being the first official Sport Compact event. Wow, 1 whole event. Alot of people didn't show up since it was moved to a different date - does this mean they have no concept of the class since they have never made an official event ever?

2) There's a difference between having a car that meets requirements, and building a car up to meet the rules. Not everyone is content with running a stocker that will pass into any class, be it S/S, S/C or some specialty DYO bracket. Hell a near standard car would pass into the PRO rwd class, with the small fields you'd probably make it into the semi's... wow imagine if you got into the finals cause you pulled out a bye run?

[Guest two.06l]

But this is a class that Jason O'Hallaran has even said was changed due to input from community members. He mentioned he spoke to you in depth about it.. so you represent the SAU community? People like 600hp, T88OnBoard, NV033, Bu5ter, MrBlonde, Judd, Theo etc. are all spending big dollars on cars to go fast - why would they want a DYO class when they are aiming to be the quickest?

Right with you on this one Chris...im entering the falcon BA wagon in Drag Combat (Stacey has taken back the keys to her car, and is running it). Due to a lack of power, predictable handling and grip from such a mundane vehicle. Ill do some G-Tech testing with it and nominate my dial-in at 15.3 as i know it will do 15.4-15.5 all day everyday...hell ill even let it do the shifting. What catergory would it be in, ALL-MOTOR or FORD vs HOLDEN?.

Is this shit "drag racing" or the foot-brake grand prix...seen more action in the eliminators with the stop pedal than the go pedal.

I dont care if i get chopped by a faster car, thats what RACING is all about. But to see a car in the final, that i ran 10% quicker than when i raced it in the qualifiers really sucks.

They have 2 DYO catergorys for people who like that type of racing,and should have left sport RWD as it was.

On the other side of the coin....how good was OZ MOD....that catergory was great to watch. Hope fellow Novacastrian Rod Spannenberg (7 SINS) is ok after his clout with the wall in the eliminators.

[600hp]

Mik, con grats on the time you must be pretty happy with that.(time to crack a 10)

Paul, i can't wait to see your car sorted and running the times it should be.

Abflug, Your car had to be the best sounding GTR running with that T88 at full blast. it was a pitty that the bloody gear box shat itself. better luck next time and it was good to meet you.

I was a bit pissed that we arn't going to run the car untill we have the gear box sorted, seeing so many nice GTR's running.

Mik your series III was in perfect condition.

Paul i like your idea of an R32 running a 10 with a full interior(all be it with the cage going straight through the seats).Ha Ha

Doughboy you should of bought out the GTs-T for a spin.

Anyway congrats to everyone that entered, and for most of the GTR's running 11.2-11.3.

Cheers Ben

[600hp]

I don't really understand the whole DYO class! shouldn't there be a a AWD class and a RWD class, whats with GTR racing a RWD turbo.

DYO should be a very small class with slower cars such as Stacey's BA Wagon Vs my Jeep ,as both are very consistant and slow.

Once we get our car sorted we want to be racing with other GTR's and other tuff AWD not

and S2000 or the like wich is consistant.

Ben

[NXTIME]

Unfortunately, you can't have a class that only has 4 cars in it - there is no point. Therefore until we have a consistently larger field, ANDRA won't have an option but to run 4WD cars with RWD. It's up to the racers to show that there is a need for a particular class before anything will even be considered (as with the recent trialling of the Oz Mod class).

I completely agree with the DYO complaints above. there is no point in having a fast car, it's all about consistency. I might as well race a turbo deisel 4WD and still win the class.

Adrian, what was a FWD turbo honda doing racing in SR?

Also, does anyone know what times the gunmetal grey R32 GTR (with completely stripped interior and cage) was doing?

[Duncan]

just a question from the outside....this was an ANDRA event, right, and ANDRA run under CAMS and therefore FIA rules?

If so, entrants have every right to lodge a protest with the stewards over any car or official that did not follow the technical or sporting regulations?

[Guest two.06l]

slower cars such as Stacey's BA Wagon Vs my Jeep  

Ben

Hey who you callin' slow....15.4 is quick for a fleet car... :jk:

[2rismo]

1/ Jason and I have spoken, via email mind you, at most a couple of times. NONE of what we've discussed has been implemented.

2/ No backflip there buddy. Go and read what you've quoted me on again. I have said that DYO racing and minimum weights are helping to ruin a class - I never said that DYO racing was bad. I have raced in more DYO meets than you've raced at WSID period. And I love it.

3/ The turbo FWD Honda was underweight for IT'S CLASS. I never said it was in SR. Jeez. It's a perfect example of how people who bring their car to race under the rules get out qualified by people who operate outside the rules.

Here's what I'm saying to the people that think minimum weights don't matter:

In a class like S/RWD, only the eliminations are DYO. You still have to qualify. There's your motivation to go faster and faster. As the fields get more and more subscribed, the 20+ entries to Saturdays event in S/RWD will become 30 then 40 then who knows?!?!?

In order to qualify at this event, you needed a car that ran quicker than 12.678 sec. At the next event it might be 12.00 then at the next it might be 11.50. Can you see where this is going? I'm trying to seriously dumb it down as some have missed the point of qualifying. It seems that some people think DYO is for more than just eliminations....

And finally,

If you felt compelled to post something like that, why would you support it by competing? Surely you have a bit more backbone that that?

You can only change the system from the inside. Did you also speak to Jason about helping form the NSW arm of the Sport Compact advisory committee? You've stopped building a car because the rules are all over the place and you're doing nothing about "settling them down"? Don't talk to me about backbone, pal.

Adrian

[Roy]

lol...yoy drag boys are delicate flowers:)

Forget building a drag car, a club car that lets you do Dutton, GP Rally, club sprints etc is the go:thumbsup:

[spx25t]

In regards to the QSR Bmw that was only doing exhibition passes as because the motor is not OEM it cannot fit into any class at the moment the engine they have was only ever in a Le-mans car (and was never turbo charged) which one the 24 hr back in 92 then got the boot like the skylines in group A

[Guest two.06l]

lol...yoy drag boys are delicate flowers:):

yes we are all dedicated, We all lov it! The more events like this we compete in, the more hooked we get............. as Adrian said,........"there's your motivation to go faster and faster".......... just entering an event like this and being surrounded by motivated, supportive friends and fantastic cars is awesome. Team Twoogle is not goin' anywhere, we are here for the long-hall. We too agree that in time things will 'settle down'. Don't regret a single cent we've spent............LOVED every minute of it. STACE

[Abo Bob]

That "BMW" was pretty crazy. Quad rotor twin turbo ya? It wasn't the only car there that could barely stay running long enough to stage. I'm very much a drag racing novice but even I could tell that the rules were very relaxed.

How did people finish anyway?

two.06L your car was sounding sweet as. So smooth. Made it seem like a bigger engine than it is. I only saw 11.7 but I could tell there was much more in it than that.

About the third race I saw was Adrian doing a 12.21 which was good to see. Adrian, you are a) very hard to find and B) very popular. Thanks for the tickets. Muchly appreciated. Also thanks Buster for getting them to me.

So what's the go with cars and other things being stolen? That is really ****ed. Any more info?

[Guest two.06l]

 

two.06L your car was sounding sweet as.  So smooth.  Made it seem like a bigger engine than it is.  I only saw 11.7 but I could tell there was much more in it than that.

thanks AB......11.2 was Paul's best time. We think we can squeeze abit more out of the car, but we need a better gearbox first.