ANDRA Sports Compact - what would you like to see?

[DoughBoy]

Hi guys,

With the DYO changes and the infancy of the class there's been alot of talk to change the rules again, with input from various communities. I'm sure alot of people on these forums are interested in competing in the Sport Compact class - but what changes to the rules would you like to see? Hopefully we can present a clear opinion to Jason O'Halloran (and in a diplomatic way) and try to get the class more appealing to the masses.

What class appeals to you? What changes would you like to see? What car would you compete in? How do you like to go racing?

Try to keep this as an open, positive forum. Please try to use factual data - no chinese whispers or derogatory insults. If we can get enough support on this forum then the Supra guys might be interested in petitioning as well.

[Guest two.06l]

Hi guys,

With the DYO changes and the infancy of the class there's been alot of talk to change the rules again, with input from various communities. I'm sure alot of people on these forums are interested in competing in the Sport Compact class - but what changes to the rules would you like to see? Hopefully we can present a clear opinion to Jason O'Halloran (and in a diplomatic way) and try to get the class more appealing to the masses.

What class appeals to you? What changes would you like to see? What car would you compete in? How do you like to go racing?

Try to keep this as an open, positive forum. Please try to use factual data - no chinese whispers or derogatory insults. If we can get enough support on this forum then the Supra guys might be interested in petitioning as well.

Heads up racing is real racing...the fastest car wins.

if you want a tactical game ...go and play chess!

Please give us back our old rules Jason, if you want to play DYO there is DYO1 and DYO2. Cater for the middle of the road cars like us that want to go fast but havnt got the support/money to go pro.

[DoughBoy]

I think that the current arrangement is a bit odd. For starters you already have a dedicated ET bracket - why change the whole field to DYO? The ET brackets are pretty free with regards to rules, since it's so open anyone is free to jump across if they are consistent enough.

The weight breaks for SportRWD are kinda ok - I doubt that many 4WD cars will get to the minium weight due to the restrictions on fibreglass parts. GTS-t's will be slightly over the minimum unless they strip a bit - is this acceptable?

With 4WD vs 2WD I think it's acceptable competing together. 2WD will be automatically lighter with less rolling resistance, admittedly it will take some time to tune the suspension for the tyres but isn't that a given? There are street tyre'd Supras running alot quicker than the fastest street tyred 4WD's Australia has to offer, and that's with the Aus cars weighing in less. Especially the fact a 2WD car will be significantly cheaper to run (and build) to be competitive, having a weight penalty against 4WDs would be a disappointment.

[Guest two.06l]

What class appeals to you? What changes would you like to see? What car would you compete in? How do you like to go racing?

Class...SPORT RWD/STREET RWD...1 power adder only

Changes...Scrap the DYO format for eliminators...Heads-up real racing.

Car...Street registered Nissan GTR.

Racing...The fastest car to be the winner.

[DoughBoy]

Heads up racing is real racing...the fastest car wins.

if you want a tactical game ...go and play chess!

Please give us back our old rules Jason, if you want to play DYO there is DYO1 and DYO2. Cater for the middle of the road cars like us that want to go fast but havnt got the support/money to go pro.

So you would like the old rules back? What about the weight breaks?

[Guest two.06l]

So you would like the old rules back? What about the weight breaks?

yes...weights scaled for capacity...i.e. a 3l will have a higher minumum than a 2l. One power adder only.

[600hp]

FWD turbo then a Pro class for each.

RWD turbo

AWD turbo

FWD

RWD

They also need a V8 class for the potential of twin turbo V8's in supra's and the like.

[BU5TER]

Sport RWD

Skyline gtst (rwd)

I think what we want and what we get will be two big different things and with this in mind I'll try and answer as fairly and open minded as possible without trying to model the class around my own car which we'll find some people will do

As much as it migh suck that AWD and RWD are in the same class I can't see it changing just yet as there just aren't enough AWD cars entering to make a 16 car field

I guess that leaves the DYO or Heads up question

EDIT: After thinking about this for the past few hours I have done a complete flip flop and think DYO is only as good as us the racers make it, there is a 16 car field that is allowed to race in any given class for a reason which in these early days of dyo sports compact racing is hard to see as the fields aren't filled with similair modded cars yet

For example Sports RWD if the top 16 cars that qualify are all 9 to very low 11 sec cars they are all modded cars which then means it gets rid of the oh my wifes stock falcon wagon could win this class as it would run consistant times scenario because it simply wouldn't be quick enough to make the 16 car field

So as I see it as time goes on and we get bigger and faster cars entering and qualifying it will make dyo in the Sports RWD class a very exciting and competitive class to even qualify in let alone win

Though I am still very much undecided as to weather dyo or heads up would be better but all I can see happening with heads up is that cars such as Theo Wollets GTR or the 8th sin Supra once sorted will be racing the cars that were racing yesterday and beating most of them by a second plus which then leads me to ask how is that fair when he who has the biggest bank account wins

[benm]

I don't understand all the different classes or rules and regs but as a spectator that has been to 99% of the events that WSID has ever held I have to say that DYO is without a doubt the best spectator event (imho).

Nothing worse than watching a pac rotary go up against a fwd bling civic. Especially when it takes 3mins for the rotary to get into staging and the civic could have done 10 runs by then.

[Abo Bob]

What is a power adder?

[Morgs]

I don't like DYO.

Consistency is the key yes but a bone stock automatic R32 GTS can run a 16.0 all day - is that what racing should all be about? Not to me

[Guest two.06l]

What is a power adder?

turbo charger(s) = 1 x power adder

nitrous = 1 x power adder

supercharger = 1 x power adder

[Guest two.06l]

I don't like DYO.

Consistency is the key yes but a bone stock automatic R32 GTS can run a 16.0 all day - is that what racing should all be about? Not to me

dial in at 15.9 and win trophys.....that will sure see the development of the sport in this country. Dont forget most major sponsors sell products to improve a cars performance, if people stop trying to go faster, they arent making money...no sponsorship $$...no big events.

I just can't understand why something that wasn't broken was "fixed".

or was someone just trying to justify their trip to the "States"

[Morgs]

On the other hand I can say if all the cars are running quick times then DYO can be a fair system... well, it'd have to be fairer than the guy with the quickest car winning every time - thats only a battle of the pocket and not drag racing.. in my opinion

[BU5TER]

dial in at 15.9 and win trophys.....that will sure see the development of the sport in this country. Dont forget most major sponsors sell products to improve a cars performance, if people stop trying to go faster, they arent making money...no sponsorship $$...no big events.

I just can't understand why something that wasn't broken was "fixed".

or was someone just trying to justify their trip to the "States"

As time goes on and the fields get quicker and quicker this can't happen as the 15.9 sec car wont make it into the 16 car field

[Guest two.06l]

On the other hand I can say if all the cars are running quick times then DYO can be a fair system... well, it'd have to be fairer than the guy with the quickest car winning every time - thats only a battle of the pocket and not drag racing.. in my opinion

Thats why they have a DYO catergory!!!

If you have a reasonably modded non-pro car why should you not have the ability and class to race it properly.

Pocket racing is the pro guys and they can have that all to themselves.

There has to be a middle class for us people who want to race as fast as they can and not have to compete with the pro's or get done by a car with less performance.

[spx25t]

Devils advocate here

What about the guy who wants to go racing with his car but does not have the financial means to run 12's 11's etc

so in a way DYO is good for these guys to get out and enjoy the sport instead of getting shot down by a 11 sec skyline , rotor etc

i personally love the idea of heads up faster car wins but bracket class like 10-11, 11-12, 12-13 also I liked the format for The first Drag combat in Sydney. I raced in DYO but for the faster cars there was the RWD class AWD FWD and so forth then the pro classes.

I have backflipped alot within this post but i am not putting it forward to say one is better than the other

DYO for the budget racers for example (me)

and then the separate classes for those with the means (Stace and Paul, Adrian, and hopefully i will get to the stage where i can run in RWD) but till then plug allong in DYO

NO OFFENCE ment to anyone Stace, Paul and Adrian I am only listing you guys as a example.

But obviously with time and feed back a system will be found that works for all.

[ECR033]

To begin with, without being fully aware of the regulations and just being moreso a spectator/enthusiast, my opinion is more an overall view of the current situation rather then a technical analysis.

I totally agree that heads up racing is real racing and that it shouldn't really be replaced by DYO. On the counter side though, there's a lot of growing interest in the sport at the moment and one good way to keep the interest is to open up avenues for participation to more people without sacrificing any viewer entertainment and to also cater for the enthusiast/budget contrained racer as well. I think DYO achieves this objective quite well.

Personally speaking, in the past I would have never contemplated entering an event like Compak Attak given my car is probably on the limit doing mid-13's. But with DYO, I have just as good an opportunity to compete as any other guy in the category (provided you qualify) and that is appealing. Afterall, most of us are enthusiasts who only pipe dream about competing, whilst now we actually have a reasonable chance to do so without fear of getting embarassed by a 11 sec car for example. As was mentioned above, you still need to get in the top 16 to actually qualify, so there is still the motivation to go faster to ensure qualification. On the whole, I think the DYO concept is good for the "budget" racer, good for spectators as it accomodates close racing, but at the same time there should definately be something to accomodate the true outright racers as well.

Personally, I believe a possible solution may be a hybrid category including both forms of racing (apologies if this sounds silly). All participants qualify together and then split into 2 groups - heads up racing for the top 8 or 16 (or whatever) qualifiers should be the main show and then DYO for the next 8 or 16 (or whatever) qualifiers. That way there's still motivation for the outright racer to post quick times (no brake pedal action) and there's still the opportunity for the budget racer to get out there and have a go as well. Probable downside is that it'll inevitably make the regulations for racers and spectators even more confusing...

Just my two cents worth - and I'll also add that from a spectators point of view, Compak Attak was definately good entertainment.