Fiberglass doors – In Qld.

[Nismo_Boy]

Anyone know the ruling with fiberglass doors? As far as I know they are illegal, but what sort of fines am I looking at, if I get caught for running them?

Also what happens if I'm found to have no intrusion bars in the doors?

[NA_R33]

Josh after being defected im doing research, i bought the light vehicle modifacation code of practice and have a complete copy of all ADR's, u have to get them approved by an engineer, samples have to be made infront of an examiner blah blah blah MISH!! good bye blackies carbon bonnet

unless, im on the phone to qld transport as im writing this, trying to get ahold of engineers that approve fiberglass and carbon fiber so ill let u know how i go.

[NA_R33]

oh and its a major dangerous defect, cant drive the car

[Keegs]

carbon fibre and fiberglass dont meet the "crumple zone" requirements, been through this with the fiberglass bonnets.........and well no intrusion bars..dont get me started I dunno what the fine is, I doubt its large. However, if your in an accident and you kill your passenger, dont expect them to go lightly on you if you knew.

[NA_R33]

ive been on hold for 20 mins now, to hang up or not too hang up

[NA_R33]

my problem is, its illegal to cut the ribbing on the standard bonnet, but the standard bonnet wont fit over my engine dilema... my engineer said as long as when u modify the bonnet u make it just as strong as it was before its fine...

[Keegs]

ive been on hold for 20 mins now, to hang up or not too hang up

sif you dont already know the answer...it will be either 1) hmmmm I actually dont know the answer to that, so what I suggest you do is take it to a mechanic get it approved then bring it here to an inspection station. Then you'll probably get fined anyway! But hey, thats how our system works.

OR 2) You have to be joking, you want to modify your car?? Dont make me laugh, you know the police are going to fine you for any modification regardless of its legality, its up to you to fight it in court if you want to get off!

I wouldnt even bother...

[Keegs]

my problem is, its illegal to cut the ribbing on the standard bonnet, but the standard bonnet wont fit over my engine dilema... my engineer said as long as when u modify the bonnet u make it just as strong as it was before its fine...

your in trouble....but if you make the standard bonnet just as strong its hard to see where the problem lies. With fiberglass and carbon fiber the problem was they "shatter" instead of "crumple" and this can also cause fragments to hit ppl or some crap etc etc..

[NA_R33]

no im actually on hold to get the list of engineers that approve fiberglass and carbon parts, as suggested by my engineer, unforunately he can do most things but not that.

[Nismo_Boy]

your in trouble....but if you make the standard bonnet just as strong its hard to see where the problem lies. With fiberglass and carbon fiber the problem was they "shatter" instead of "crumple" and this can also cause fragments to hit ppl or some crap etc etc..

Even though that all true, why not argue the point of complete fiberglass car shell’s eg: kit cars. I’d think a shell is worse off then a bonnet/boot/doors ect in a crash.

What I wana know is, how the new M3 CSL? Was approved with its Carbon/Kevlar roof.

[Nismo_Boy]

Let me know how you go John. I’ll be interested to see the list, and have glass doors/bonnet/boot all legal.

[NA_R33]

ok, just got off the phone to the engineer, he is more than happy to approve it if i first apply with qld transport to have the bonnet and they answer yes, there is no reason y they shouldnt for the reasons you just stated josh so im going to download the form now and take it in and see how i go.

[SmoothLine]

You will get knocked back John

I tried when I got defected for mine, they wont approve it unless its had an ADR crumple test done.

[GTRman1992]

With the carbon Kevlar, the Kevlar is used to hold it together in an accident. Same as how they are putting the requirement that all carbon parts have an outer skin of kevlar requirement into racing to stop carbon jards getting stuck into other racers tyres.

I heard Custom Carbon were getting bonnets etc ADR tested, maybe its worth giving them a call and having a chat.

[predator]

are you building a bat mobile josh?

manufacturer cars are subjected to all sorts of crash and other procedures that costs tens of thousands of dollars, they destroy sample cars, impact / destroy each item from multiple angles etc. Its a lot more complex that simply joe bloggs making one and it getting approved.

Depending on the car, I believe you can get aluminium ones from japan for bickies

[Nismo_Boy]

are you building a bat mobile josh?

S13's are around 1200kg. I would like to get one with Rb converion down to around 1100kg relisctly.. I would aboviulsy like it less though.

When I weighed the twin turbo S13, it was close enough to R32 GTR weight.. So I think I’ll have my work cut out for me.

[NA_R33]

as out line in the light vehicle modifactions code of practice, fiberglass panels only havae to go through some rigidity tests to pass. This is only for low volume and custom built cars, s13 being a low volume import comes into that catogory meaning it does not have to meet the ADR's. You cant argue i have my book i bought from the government today for 90 bucks, money hungry **** bags!

[Keegs]

as out line in the light vehicle modifactions code of practice, fiberglass panels only havae to go through some rigidity tests to pass. This is only for low volume and custom built cars, s13 being a low volume import comes into that catogory meaning it does not have to meet the ADR's. You cant argue i have my book i bought from the government today for 90 bucks, money hungry **** bags!

im willing to bet money that you'd still get fined for it....what the governement and rta state/write can and is different to what the police enforce and then once again thats different to how the courts interpret it...you can still be fined even if it states you cant. Think its stupid? Join the que!

Think about modification plates....if you have a mod that's mod plated, do you honestly think you cant be fined for having it? If you do your joking yourself. Police can basicly fine you for anything they want, then you have to clear it. The systems a joke.

[predator]

if you take it to court and have a valid statute though (in this case ADR compliance book) then I cannot see how the police could ever win the case..

[strutto]

I don't know the details but I'm with 33NIZ on this... Do what you like to get it "approved" but the cops will still defect you and leave you to deal with it simply to "get hoons off the streets"...

If you're like me you just do what you want and deal with the consequences if / when it happens...