Inertia Drift

[Shell]

menios! wb!

haven't seen u on here for a long time

well thanx for all the replies everyone,

umm i think I'm just getting confused now...but carry on

[floody]

Sorry menios, I just got the impression you were saying that the pendulum motion of a rally car was caused by it swinging out of control side to side- e.g that if you hit the brakes the car always just swings around on its own, without having to do anything with the steering-, which we both know, unless it was an extreme rutted gravel road, would be a symptom of pretty average chassis setup. I mean, regardless what rally car you are running, awd, rwd whatever, it should pull up fairly straight and true, unless you don't want it to (e.g setting up for a bend) ? right?

Anyway, sorry mate, its just your post was a *little* unclear. I must say, you're the first rally driver I've come across who hadn't heard the term scandinavian flick before

So tell me so that I can do it properly, in a rwd car, to set it up for a bend, with the pendulum technique, where do I do my braking?

cheers,

floody

[menios]

lol no problems floody,, knowing terms all comes down to WHERE u learn and with whom... i suppose .. anyway basically i am not a rally driver.... ok lets clarify that.. i am a stage 2 rally instructor,, i drive the toyota sprinter and the vr4 much like the one driven by ed ordynski back in the hayday.. i only drive the evo during transport or maybe during testing... if i jump on a track ill be about 10 secons a kilometer off regular sick driver. about this rwd setup for a scandi flicko.... lol i think u know egsactly how to do it ,,, everybody has different respect for themselves,, and for there car and for the fear of death lol.... me? depending on my overun speed angle road surface ,,, i cant just give a distance as every coner is different with a different exit its by this u judge the flick the speed the braking etc etc,,,,

how are u shell i missed ya hows the car going ...

[R32-Drifter]

menois, where did you get tought?

[R32-Drifter]

and.....seeing this topic is pretty much about drifting, i was wondering, do they just teach rally here in australia or is there some underground type of drifting schools?

[menios]

I was basically self tought for the past 2 years in the 33,, out in a undisclosed are in sutherland shire sydney... where the fire hydrants are lined up like runway lights,,, and the cops dont bother to go ,,,, for the past 6 months i was tought by 2 arc drivers who are also instructors ,, 1 name is mark haybittle ,,, hes a import from the uk,,, has raced wrc but couldnt afford it,, he owns extreme driving .net in nsw perth and melb. as for underground drift school??? i doubt it,,, just need a wet road with bends and practice,,,,, and prepare to search th tyre shops for old but treaded tyres .....usually every session u go to ,,,lol

have fun

[rb26dett]

menios i'm not debating the fact that u know how to do a pendulum swing.

the videos i was referring to are jap videos, homemade, amateur ones where there is no commentary. i was saying you can hear the clutch kick technique being applied.

i was not referring exactly to techniques applied by rally drivers as the japs do it on the track.

i have never thought the car handles the same on road and dirt. i know of the lack of traction on dirt surfaces.

i am unclear about your remark on constant 4wd. i understand understeer is common if u lack a certain enthusiasm on the throttle.

i am also unclear about what you are describing in your pendulum swing situation. if ur referring to rally driving, y would u be swinging around like that instead of trying to maintain as much traction as you could? if ur doing it for show, why would you want to go that fast? and for the record, i have never seen track cars applying the pendulum swing while in competition.

i have, however, been advised by an asian pacific racer of the left leg braking technique to assist turn in, not to drift. just like u, i have been taught track techniques by actual racers, however, i'm not saying i'm an authority on the subject, just wanted to pass on what i know and understand.

[Guest drift_me_silly]

inertia drift is not a scandanavian flick. that is a technique specifically developed for gravel turns or asphalt hairpins...inertia drift is a four-wheel slide (yes, front wheels as well) that is controlled by three things; grip available, rear wheel spin (relative to speed) and of course your steering angle. "real" inertia drift sees no steering at all through corners, only correction before and after. that in itself is the hardest part to grasp...i've only even seen inertia drift once, in the wet, and even then it looked a like a whole new ballgame compared to classic, rear wheel drive "slide" drifting. Because of the weight over the front wheels and the longing of the car to spin whilst in inertia drift state, it is incredibly easy to have the front or rear wheels come into a "grip patch", where a dry spot or a change in surface can spin teh car steeraight into the wall, or simply spin it on the spot. the faster you go, the harder it is to maintain real inertia drift. i know all this because i've seen it and the physics of it makes sense to me. -and yeah, rally is taught everywhere...you've just got to find it, like anything.

[menios]

hey people... text is crap words never describe ur meaning as well as a live convo... basicall rb26dett i dont debate what u say ,, its cool relax ,, the thing to watch a video was to floody... anyway ,, 160kays,, huge hard brake ,, weight comes forward, tail WANTS to get happy u influence it with your steer wheel to wherever u want it ,,,,,, HOWS THAT FOR EASY EXPLANITORY,,,

i should just said that first,,,, DRIFT ME SILLY.... left foot braking is used yes ,, in a 4wd car ,,, only to get the SOME weight on the front wheels to get some steering ,,, WHILST GASSING IT.... its all getting to involved at the moment on this thread,,,

anywaaayyyyzzz

CHEERS TO ALL ,,,, SHELL THANKS FOR STARTING THIS lol

[R32-Drifter]

what about....im sideways 10 meters before the corner and still sideways 30 meters out of it, i dont use the hand brake, i just do the left to right to left, drop the clutch half way throug that...and follow the corner with my front wheels almost clipping gutters. on the apex and then at the end on the other side of the road 30 meters away...haha..thats my straight to the point view....

[rb26dett]

menios i'm sorry if i sounded aggressive, that wasn't my intention.

and yes that is a very simple explanation.

[Guest drift_me_silly]

menios is right. i just wish i could use commas like that.*sigh*

[meggala]

wb menios

yes folks he is a vegetable but a good driver.

fient drift is also used alot by guys inthe underpowered n/a drift cars like the ae86 etc its good an it works.

menios just hasn't heard of the scaninavian flick. ( menios its very old started by guys like ari vattenan in old escorts to get them to slide at high speed.it shown here in this vid

sorry its around 10 meg note the tugging of the wheel one way then another

meggala

http://meggala.com/driftless/driftlessonexpert1.wmv

[menios]

hey meggala .. how u been man ,,, last time i spoke to u was mirc|? anyway hows ur beast going any new mods ???

i got a few happening ,,

new microtech LT 8 installed in 3 hours lol..

front mount .

electronic boost controller .

bald tyres custum made by me (were 265 35 18) now 17.5 inch lol

rb30det forgies all good bits, (almost finished)

brand spanker to4b 1.00 ar exhaust .6 ar comp.

hopefully nippon injectors 550cc

and last but never the least AV GAS lol...

oi meggala.... u got a megalo

:shake:

nice website by the way ,,, ill try and sent u a video (4mg) of my 3rd gear helis into a 90 degree drift almost into a hydrant then 180 do it all again but only to overheat, loose power GRAB traction and SLINGSHOT (but with the angels watching) end up IN A DRIVEWAY and didnt scratch a thing exept my ego lol......

i retired for that night by the way lol....:burnout:

[meggala]

did you see my new beast the cefiro

ex drift fully adjustable teins mech diff goes very nice

for a sleeper

[menios]

yeeeeess looks savagely sleepy lol...

[geschman]

Here is something you might find helpful. It is part of an article from the December 2001 Australian Issue of RALLY XS magazine.

The article is titled "Richard Burns Driving Masterclass - Sideways School" so there is to be no arguing about the accuracy of the content, OK!

There isn’t a lot of information, but there is a diagram that may help with your understanding.

[meggala]

[Guest am drifter]

Im from Brisbane and i want to know where i can take my skyline for a legal drift? i heard theres a club that go to willowbank but couldn't get any info. Cheers!

[Shell]

Someone in the QLD section might know, am drifter...

or you could go along to one of the Mt Cotton skid pan days...Slip usually organises these, he could tell you if/when the next ones on...