GT-R Front Pipes

[Scooby]

PSI_GTSII

Not trying to state the bleeding obvious but the CES ones in the photo are the 'short' ie HKS style whereas the competition style referred to by Sneaker has the better design ie longer wastegate pipe as per the Trust ones. Trevor at CES can quote rwkw improvement for the short ones but not for the long ones so it's not possible to know if the extra cost for the long ones is worth it. That makes it even more more of a hard decision if you've already got engine pipes like me.

CES stuff is great - I have a full system on my RS Liberty - but pricey compared to the Trust kit. I think they Trust ones are the go, all things considered, as you get the long wastegate pipe without the cost of the CES ones. There are subtle differences such as the expansion chamber radius on the CES ones that make them very nice but I think this is a moot point on a road car when the system in nearly double the cost after HPC coating.

Regards

[Beer Baron]

those trust ones imo represent better value than the CES ones posted above. those CES ones are just HKS copies with a set of front pipes. @ $820+$500 that is a lot of cash for direct replacement dumps and fronts and you have to ask yourself if i am replaceing both at the same time why am i constraining myselft to 'bolt-on' factory size dumps?? the trust ones are a much better looking design. note: CES do make trust style ones too but again they are very expensive for what the are, esepcially considering they are made of mild steel...

[doubled]

Yeah CES is not cheap. I live in Brizzie and liked the idea of taking the car to him and fitting the system, I have no access to a hoist for a long period and really couldn't be farked fitting the dumps, front pipe, 3 1/2 system to a GTR lying on the ground,

CES is a exhaust shop and if somthing is wrong you take it straight back to him! Its his name on the WHOLE system!! = GREAT WORK!!

p.s. single 3 1/2 cannon muffler (no resinator) and i have a slip of paper in glove box, if cops pull me for excessive noise i can say it is 100% legal with his (ces) testing epuipment.

at 5100rpm!

[itbmils]

itbmils: wuss:  as if pay a shop to install dumps.  Get the spanner out son  As for "do it once, do it right", the problem is I have a noticable leak that needs fixing soon.  It won't be a good 6+ months till I get around to the Trust/Greddy units so waiting is not the preferred option.

I do still have spanners - but can't for the life of my remember where I put them

My method is much easier on the knuckles - yes

(this is why god created gold cards)

[Blitz]

Has anyone bothered to look at the XForce HKS copies in stainless for $599 a pair?

They look pretty good to me in the flesh, at almost half the price of the HKS items

[Sneaker]

I went for the CES "Competition" pipes because of the quality of the product and that they were Australian made - I could actually talk to Trevor about what I wanted from the car and his product. The fact that they had done the improvement tests and could give a figure of the increase in performance, helped as well. They may not be as "neat looking" as the Trust/HKS ones but they work better in my opinion. And they are definitily not just copies.

I think it is well worth spending the extra for the local product - and I am not speculating, I have actually had them fitted.

[williamsf1]

I have the trust/greddy split dumps and pipes mated to GT-SS turbos....all fitted up and finished last week, and will be off for a tune on monday with a whole range of crapla being fitted too.... shall be interesting

for my money the trust ones are good value at $1100 I looked at all the options, and they came out ahead....

[PSI_GTSII]

I have the trust/greddy split dumps and pipes mated to GT-SS turbos....all fitted up and finished last week, and will be off for a tune on monday with a whole range of crapla being fitted too.... shall be interesting

...

Did you fit them yourself...if so how'd you go..?

Also very interested to see HP figures make sure you post em up

[GTR32]

I went for the CES "Competition" pipes...The fact that they had done the improvement tests and could give a figure of the increase in performance, helped as well.

Hi Sneaker;

I spoke to Trevor only a few weeks ago and he said that he had no performance figures for the comp style, only the short style so my dilemma is not the quality - his products are great - but that I couldn't get data on the comp style to see if they were worth the extra cost over the shorter type.

Can you please tell me what advice he gave you re the improvement tests you mentioned?

Regards

[lwells]

I went for the CES "Competition" pipes because of the quality of the product and that they were Australian made - I could actually talk to Trevor about what I wanted from the car and his product. The fact that they had done the improvement tests and could give a figure of the increase in performance, helped as well. They may not be as "neat looking" as the Trust/HKS ones but they work better in my opinion. And they are definitily not just copies.  

I think it is well worth spending the extra for the local product - and I am not speculating, I have actually had them fitted.

Sure, I'd love to buy local by I completely agree with mmmgtir: the CES pipes (be they the 'HKS-style' ones or the competition pipes) do not represent good value. Given that are just as pricey -- if not more when you consider they are mild steel -- than the Japanese parts, the only advantage is they are local if you're in Queensland and not having to wait for something to arrive from overseas.

Perhaps if it was a choice between some backyard overseas operation and the CES's it would swing in their favour regardless of the price differential, but Trust is a no backyard operator.

Lucien.

[PSI_GTSII]

If your that keen to 'buy local' would'nt you have bought a Commodore instead of a Skyline in the first place?

For me I will definately buy local if they are the same cost and quality, if the imported item be cheaper and similar / same quality then thats what i'll buy...

[sav man]

Argghh...crap

Hows this:

If anyone has delt with the HKS Twin Extention kit (BNR32,BCNR33, BNR34 Part No 1418-RN005) then you will know how good the qualitly is. Hard Core steel built to withstand the harshest punishments from those HKS Turbos. Unlike the HKS Extention kit which are two small pipes that bolts onto the turbos then they are attached to the frontpipe which is made from a thinner metal, these Greedy Extentions pipes start where the HKS pipes finish and continue all the way to the cat still using the high density steel as HKS does. Trust Has tested these Extention pipes to handle over 700PS.

Product Code  Price Delivered *    

11920300   AU $ 893.65  

 AU $ 1,112.55    

 

Extention Front Pipes 80mm  

 Compatible with Nissan - Skyline R32 GTR - BNR32

Am I correct in understanding that these bolt onto the dump pipes? Or do they go from the turbo?

[lwells]

Am I correct in understanding that these bolt onto the dump pipes? Or do they go from the turbo?

No. They completely replace the dump and front pipes: one end bolts on to the back of the turbo, the other to the cat/exhaust. Hence why the seperation of wastegate gasses in longer with the Trusts

Lucien.

[williamsf1]

I had my trust dumps GTSS and tomei cams fitted at my engine builder, DART automotive on Belmore Rd Punchbowl.... fitted the rest myself, and now the car is going to be tuned by BEL (virgin dyno )

hope for about 450hp - 500 hp...

will post all details once tuned!

highly recommend the TRUST pipes!!!

oh and I have a set of pipes for sale lucien

[Ronin 09]

I had my trust dumps GTSS and tomei cams fitted at my engine builder, DART automotive on Belmore Rd Punchbowl.... fitted the rest myself, and now the car is going to be tuned by BEL (virgin dyno )

hope for about 450hp - 500 hp...

will post all details once tuned!

highly recommend the TRUST pipes!!!

oh and I have a set of pipes for sale lucien

is Trust is good!

[PSI_GTSII]

Ok I have now priced up the 3...what seems to be main competitors here:

Greddy / Trust Dump & Front pipes: $1112 Delivered

CES Dump and Front pipe: $1320 (Delivered ?)

Xforce Dump and Front pipe: $1300 (Delivered ?)

My mind is now made up

[lwells]

HKS / Trust Dump & Front pipes: $1112 Delivered

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I think you mean Trust/Greddy not HKS: they are a different design to the HKS's, featuring an intergrated dump/front setup with longer wastegas gas pipes.

You might also want to try Advan Racing in Silverwater (NSW): apparently they have decent price on Trust/Greddy gear.

Also, which CES setup is that: the HKS-style dumps and front, or the 'competition' pipes?

LW.

[PSI_GTSII]

Sorry my mistake...fixed.

CES ones are the ones Pictured

XForce are similar also

[Sneaker]

If your that keen to 'buy local' would'nt you have bought a Commodore instead of a Skyline in the first place?

Already got one of those too.

Can you please tell me what advice he gave you re the improvement tests you mentioned?

He basically said that the competition ones would be ideal for "competition" use. They would be overkill on a road car running standard turbos etc... He did say that these would cater for any future modifications to the car (larger turbos, much higher boost, etc...) I know that this part of the system on the car will never pose a restriction no matter what sort of upgrades I intend to do in the future - a main reason why I went all out, knowing I would never have to touch it again.

All I can say is that without changing anything else on the engine, the car has been transformed. I am still getting use to how differently it drives. This product must be good as although I have not tested it on the dyno I can feel a definite difference almost right through the rev range. I don't hear many other people rave about the extra power or grunt they get from there car just by changing their dump and front pipes - in my case, I am super happy!

I will soon know when I get it on the dyno for a retune and boost upgrade. I'm sure the area under the curve is going to be fat!

[lwells]

Getting back to the original point of this thread, I have decided to grab one of the Blitz pipes: they are 2 x 70 -> 80 pipes in stainless steel.

New question: I am guessing the heatshield from the stock pipes is not going to fit. Do people bother shielding their pipes -- either with a solid shield or wrap -- or just leave them as is?

Cheers,

Lucien.