intercooled NA??

[NA_R33]

im going to leave no comment :goddam:

[gatty]

for all the negetive posts, the post about selling my NA and buying a GTST and anything else about it being a rice mobile you can all go get f_cked and suck my co_k

sometime i realy do wonder why i just don't go and post at NS - with replies like these i may as well have...

Simply asking a question - wondering if anyone has done it or seen it done - do not post to be laughed at or for people calling me a ricer - no doubt the ones who said i was a ricer have some 'fully sick 20" chromies" from tempe tyres on their cars as opposed to some real volks/buddy clubs - who's the ricer?????

[chowetime]

The I/C will slow the flow of air into the intake as it will not be the most direct route to it so this will also mean that you will lose volume as well... but I know where you are going with the denser/cold air it is expensive to do but it is something that I/we had been talking about when I was modding my Lancer... basicly the intake pipe coming from the air filter is similar to the design of a intercooler but in a cylinder shape (would be a very costly exercise for a few ponies but could give you a little more torque) another thing to add is a heat block can not think of the name of the material used but it is the same stuff that they use for making saucepan handles out of it bolts straight in between the throttle body and plenium chamber ( it is amazing the differences in temps ) and the other place to add this block to is at the inlet of the motor... this is about as far as you can go with lowering intake temps... heat sheilds are excellent and also look at directing air from behind front bar directly onto the air filter keeping in mind the surface area of the filter vs the size of the flexi tubing to do it

sorry for long post

[342Four]

far out people

why do you think they put the intercooler at the front of the car?

the hot air from the turbo is passed through the cooler, and because the air is hotter than the ambient temp, the hot air tries to heat up the whole cooler, thus making the air cool and the cooler warm, but, when you are moving, the air passes through and around the cooler, cooling it down, and thus allowing the air from the turbo to try and heat up more of the cooler, thus allowing you to pack more air into the engine (cooler air = less dense = more air particles in unit area = more power =more fun!)

if you put the pod on one end and connect the other end to the throttle body, provided the pod is getting coolish air, passing it through the cooler (which will be colder than the air from the pod), the air will try and heat the cooler up to the air's temp, this in turn will cool the air going into the engine.

but because the air is going from something that is relatively small (the intake pipe from the pod) and going to saomething large (the cooler) and then going into something small again (the connection to the throttle), the air is going to loose 'punch,' it is going to be sucked in with force, then loose that suction as it goes into the cooler, but because it is being forced into a small opening again, it gains 'punch' but not as big a 'punch' as before, but you will have the added advantage of having cooler air.

this wil mean that you will gain a few more ponies (not many), but definetly more torque

but hey, by all means, give it a go, see what happens, then tell us the results

and it often happens that what is said in theory, actually doesn't happen quite the same in practice (therefore i could be totally wrong - but in theory it works)

[NA_R33]

I have no clue what u are trying to say.

It is as simple as this, any restriction on the intake side of an NA engine will cause a loss in power.

The cooler can only cool the air down to ambient air temperature, the best possible thin g u could do is put the pod in the front bar so it draws the air from outside the engine bay.

As for gaining horsepower or torque, u wont. so as an answer, no its a waste of time and it will infact make your car run worse.

and what is this "punch" u speak of

[Driver]

this threads pointless

[gatty]

thanks driver

[WazR32GTSt]

far out people

why do you think they put the intercooler at the front of the car?

the hot air from the turbo is passed through the cooler, and because the air is hotter than the ambient temp, the hot air tries to heat up the whole cooler, thus making the air cool and the cooler warm, but, when you are moving, the air passes through and around the cooler, cooling it down, and thus allowing the air from the turbo to try and heat up more of the cooler, thus allowing you to pack more air into the engine (cooler air = less dense = more air particles in unit area = more power =more fun!)

if you put the pod on one end and connect the other end to the throttle body, provided the pod is  getting coolish air, passing it through the cooler (which will be colder than the air from the pod), the air will try and heat the cooler up to the air's temp, this in turn will cool the air going into the engine.

but because the air is going from something that is relatively small (the intake pipe from the pod) and going to saomething large (the cooler) and then going into something small again (the connection to the throttle), the air is going to loose 'punch,' it is going to be sucked in with force, then loose that suction as it goes into the cooler, but because it is being forced into a small opening again, it gains 'punch' but not as big a 'punch' as before, but you will have the added advantage of having cooler air.

this wil mean that you will gain a few more ponies (not many), but definetly more torque

but hey, by all means, give it a go, see what happens, then tell us the results

and it often happens that what is said in theory, actually doesn't happen quite the same in practice (therefore i could be totally wrong - but in theory it works)

mate, did you read my post?? :confused:

when the turbo compresses the air, it also generates a rediculous amout of heat. an intercooler is placed in line with the turbo outlet and the intake manifold. hot (and compressed) air from the turbo outlet runs through the intercooler, which is made of metal (good conductor of heat). it conducts the heat so that the metal fins are approx the same temp as the air. ambient air then flows over the metal fins at which point heat follows the change in temp gradient and attempts to reach an equilibrium. essentially the ram air 'draws' the heat out of the metal fins and thus the air inside. on an intercooled turbo car, at best an intercooler will reduce the intake temps to ambient

now, an NA setup has no such heat-generating device in its intake path (ie turbo). so assuming there's the factory airbox and not a rediculus pod, essentially the intake temp of the air being drawn is IS ALREADY AMBIENT TEMPERATURE. thus an intercooler won't reduce the temperature of the intake air because there's no heat difference. all it will do is pose a restriction (which may be insignificant if its a low-powered car)

its as simple as that!

no, there won't be any more torque, no there won't be any more power, yes it will block airflow to the radiator unnecessarily

no turbo = no intercooler needed

case closed.

[rob82]

I say do it!!!! Maybe you could stick a BOV on it as well, oh yeah and a turbocharger(just for looks thought).

[illusiVe]

compressing air = heat, intercooler just reduces the compressed airs temp to ambient or close to it.

[paulr33]

hey guys,

rather than taking the piss out of him just because he had an idea why not teach him why and that way he can learn. isnt that what forums are all about? sharing knowledge and experience throughout the community? that being said when going from stocker side mount cooler to a larger front mount unit you dont gain or loose any top end power or max power you simply add a bit more lag in the system, as when you open the throttle you have to pressurize the whole core and extra piping each time. adding a fmic to a non turbo could will have the same affect, it wont increase power or make max power shift up or down but merely add more lag to the system. so when you floor it instead of waiting 1.5 seconds for power to come on, you may be waiting 2.8 seconds as a really bad (and simplistic example).

[Maxx]

for all the negetive posts, the post about selling my NA and buying a GTST and anything else about it being a rice mobile you can all go get f_cked and suck my co_k

sometime i realy do wonder why i just don't go and post at NS - with replies like these i may as well have...

Simply asking a question - wondering if anyone has done it or seen it done - do not post to be laughed at or for people calling me a ricer - no doubt the ones who said i was a ricer have some 'fully sick 20"  chromies" from tempe tyres on their cars as opposed to some real volks/buddy clubs - who's the ricer?????

i can tell u SAU is a lot better than NS

I am very interest to see if u really post it on NS.com

how many PAGES of non-stop negative comment there will be

and eventually need moderator to lock up the thread :uh-huh:

[someonestolecc]

for all the negetive posts, the post about selling my NA and buying a GTST and anything else about it being a rice mobile you can all go get f_cked and suck my co_k

sometime i realy do wonder why i just don't go and post at NS - with replies like these i may as well have...

Simply asking a question - wondering if anyone has done it or seen it done - do not post to be laughed at or for people calling me a ricer - no doubt the ones who said i was a ricer have some 'fully sick 20"  chromies" from tempe tyres on their cars as opposed to some real volks/buddy clubs - who's the ricer?????

Hey man it's all good. I think he was the most constructive post here and he raises a very good point.. selling your car and getting a GTST is the cheapest and best way of getting a turbo car.

Now about the cooler idea. You're adding weight to your NA car in the forms of an intercooler, which isn't going to do much more, performance wise than using a cold air induction setup. So far sounds like rice at the expense of performance.

The CAI setup will also arguably be better because of less restriction and cooler air than the IC can provide (especially since the engine wouldn't be sucking enough air in to move the volume as in a turbo car). The CAI setup will also produce some ram effect if done right, something the NA IC setup cannot do.

So.. I think most people who've posted here have said that it's pointless and assumed you just want it for looks. Which, in all fairness is rice of the worst kind

If that's the case, I think it's stupid. Sorry but it's plain ridiculous for performance. Fair enough it's your car but I get to call you and the car stupid because you end up with is a NA skyline that looks like a GTST and you get smoked by a VTEC civic. haha. Then we have to put up with posts from sportivo/civic/mirage forums about how their cars are real cars

No offence intended at all

[Freeman]

What is NS?

[someonestolecc]

NS would be a typo for NA (i assume) which is naturally aspirated which means non forced induction (so it means a naturally breathing engine not a supercharged or turbocharged induction system).

[Eug]

NS means Nissan Silvia...

[342Four]

i realise what i said may not be true

the thing is when the car is moving, the wind passes over the intercooler and the air will be cooled LOWER THAN AMBEINT TEMP - u put a beer (not straight out the fridge - a bit warm) on the roof of a car (stuck down of course, and covered) and then drive around for a while. the beer will end up cooler than the air around it - the same what happens with an intercooler. the only way the air would warm up to ambient temp again would be from the heat from the engine - but the air will be cooled lower than ambient temp

if u dont believe me think of wind chill factor.

the temp might be -5 degrees, but the wind makes the temp actually -15 degrees - below ambient temp!! even here in australia - it might be 30 degrees when a stiff wind picks up - the temp is still 30degrees, but the wind makes the temp actually less

AND yes it is true (i now realise) that it would be pointless to do it - and no i (hopefully all of us) am (are) not trying to label u as a ricer - not in anyway

but like somestolecc said - it might actually be cheaper to by a GTS-T and get an already turboed car

[illusiVe]

not it wouldnt, it would be warmed up by the sun on it..

and trust me the temp difference wouldnt even be 4 degrees by the time it reaches the engine, ALL THE INTERCOOLER DOES IS COOL THE HEAT WHICH IS CREATED BY COMPRESSING THE AIR!!

[scathing]

Now about the cooler idea. You're adding weight to your NA car in the forms of an intercooler, which isn't going to do much more, performance wise than using a cold air induction setup

Its not just adding weight that's going to degrade performance, but where its being added. You're adding a fair amount of weight in front of the axle, which increases your polar moment of inertia.

[chowetime]

another option if you are really keen to make the car a little faster is to use a nitros cooler injection into the intake...

Any form of cooling via injection from water or gas the result is going to be very minor unless you do something to help out the actual engine bay temps by more heat vents thermal bandages or HPC coatings on manifold and intake pipe but best CAI setup would be to have as much outside car air being pushed into the shortest intake pipe in the most direct route