R33 mods?

[zer0rez]

hi everyone im new to this board and just need some friendly advise

i have a R33 1993 model GTS not GTST

i am wanting to get started with preformance mods on my car and was wondering is it worth doing it to this enging or just get a engine swap to something that came stock with turbo like the rb26DETT or a 3L

and would any one be able to tell me how many RKWS my car has at the moment without any mods?

thanks heaps to everyone in advanced

[WazR32GTSt]

hmmmmm

stock R33 GTS? about 90-100rwkw i would say

how long you had the car?

i would suggest selling it and just buying a turbo car rather than the hassle of an engine swap... you will find this is the most suggested option, and will provide the bigger brakes, LSD, 5-stud wheel pattern etc. that comes with the turbo car and not the NA...

but having said that someone put a 4.5L V8 in his NA R33 :whackit: (his username is NA_R33) so its up to you...

Warren.

[bazr33]

All depends how far ya wantin to go with it

How many Rwkws ya after ?

im guessin with the stock non turbo engine is somethin around 100rwkws

and standard turbo rb25 engines have an average of 120-140rwkw

but then again ya rb26dett ya looking at about 230-250rwkws, but also comes with a hefty price tag to fit and buy . depends who ya know though.

correct me if im wrong.

for the price and power and availabiltiy i believe i would go for the rb25det .

but thats my opinion.

My mods are on my car for example at the moment:

Front mount intercooler

AVCR Controller 10psi

Ces Racing split dump

Highflow cat

3 1/4 exhaust

i went from completly stock from 122 rwkw to 166 just from doin those things there

i did a 15.2 down the quarter with mods and completly stock was a 16.1

but my car is an automatic which i have more power loss then a manual

thats why im convertin to manual now.

But yeah its all up to you though where ya wantin to go with it

but as soon as ya start, the more ya will want to do. haha but its good shit

Anyway theres my opinion for ya.

[zer0rez]

you serious around 90-100kws that kinda sucks i had a hyundai excel with some mods on it and it was getting around 180kws with just a turbo and extractors are you saying a excel can beat a skyline? i was under the impression that skylines could get up to the 300kws mark with not to much modding on the RB25DE ive only had the car 3months just got it

[paulr33]

yeah 100rwkw would be about on the money. the stock gtst makes about 130rwkw. well the hyundai would have been running n/a compression so it will make a bit more power but will be limited to a low amount of boost. you wont get the rb25de to 300kw easily, even an rb25det requires a fair price tag to get to that power level. expect about $12,000 to go from 140wkw stocker to 300rwkw. if you want to spend money and upgrade your engine and get more power and want the best of all possible combos then i would highly suggest an rb30det conversion. rb30 bottom end, 25de heat with a turbo conversion. there should be numberous posts about it in the "R33 RB30 guide" which is at the top of the forced induction thread. going to an rb26 will be more costly or similar price, but youll have added torque from the 3 litre bottom end

[paulr33]

mind you however i wouldnt be considering any "major" engine swaps without a fair $7000 hanging around. $2500 for motors and all the crap. $1500 labour. $1000 in upgrades as youll be maxing out the non turbo parts. post up if you are serious and how much you have someone on here (if not me) should be able to give a good estimate or even some real figures as they may have done it before

[bazr33]

was that 180kws at the treads?

not too bad for a hyundai

im not too familiar with the non turbo engines but with rb25 gtst engines

i know they are fairly restricted.

like the standard exhaust, the side mount intercooler, Standard psi

turbo being limited to running 10psi, can run more but have chance of getin fins through the exhaust. But other ppl seem to run more and be fine . for a while .

Standard ecu,

after upgrading these things then ya have maxin out the injectors,

decresing the life of ya engine, then thinkin of cams, cam gears

then ya have to think about gearbox, strengthening that .

upgrading fuel pump .

and then tuning all the shit.

Skylines do have the cacpacity of makin some huge hp

just have to get all the restrictions out of the way. and upgrade a few, well a heap of things hahaha

but if you wantin over 300kws at the wheels, and ya have the money to spend

then i would opt for the rb26dett .

[justin911]

180kw woulda been at flywheel...u can only run about 6psi b4 she dies.

i used to have an excel

[WazR32GTSt]

you serious around 90-100kws that kinda sucks i had a hyundai excel with some mods on it and it was getting around 180kws with just a turbo and extractors are you saying a excel can beat a skyline? i was under the impression that skylines could get up to the 300kws mark with not to much modding on the RB25DE ive only had the car 3months just got it

180kw at the front wheel on an excel with just a turbo and 'extractors'?

stock exhaust, no intercooler, no ecu upgrade...

riiiiiiiiiight...

i think it would have to either be HEAVILY modified, or it didn't happen

got a dyno graph?

[paulr33]

the rb30/25 conversion will probably work out cheaper as you dont have to change looms and wiring in the car and a large chuck on the stock stuff should bolt up and match the wiring loom. whereas if you change to rb26dett you change to loom and wiring as well as all the other crap. also the rb30/25 will have more torque and should be an overall better package

[zer0rez]

oops with intercooler sorry forgot about that but nah no work to the ecu just turbo extractors intercool exhaust and clutch they have gotten way higher aswel i think top recorded is 260fkws it was at the summer nats and ran into a wall in the burnout comp lol

[justin911]

friend of mine used to run 6psi in his.. was about 110kw....

damn I guess he shoulda got the turbo you got ................

[zer0rez]

tell him to look at the capa preformance web site thats the turbo i had there puts out 140kws+ at wheels then add an intercooler and the rest of it and you wont be to far off and its not to badly priced its a full kit but he will have most of it any way mayb he can arrange something there but now im getting off topic look at skylinesdownunder.com.au forum they have alot of talk of getting the RB25DE with after market turbo and stuff up to 280 for under 10G do you think this is a bit off?

[paulr33]

the capa pricing is a joke. seriously its so expensive.

[zer0rez]

yeah bit pricey but it seemed to do the job lol not to many other places offer turbos that can get the excel up that high

[polka]

kinda new to all this but i didnt know u culd have extractors and a turbo?

[Kaido_RR]

Zer0rez,

Just to give you an idea of what sort of power a r33 GTS-T will make;

with

exhuast (turbo back)

FMIC

Air Filter

12PSI

SAFC oR PFC

you will make anywhere from 250rwhp tp 270rwhp

[justin911]

your not talking about the capa supercharger kit are you.... ?

that 140kw figure they have listed is pure jibberish as proven on many hyundai forums

Chiptorque have a turbo kit for an excel running at 7psi it includes the intercooler etc etc.

On there site it lists the kit as a 35kw improvement, bringing the grand total to 87kw....

ill shutup now though

[zer0rez]

the 2000 excel came stock with 87KWS its the 1.5 twin cam direct inject

with the capa turbo it gets to 140-150

[zer0rez]

']Zer0rez,

Just to give you an idea of what sort of power a r33 GTS-T will make;

with

exhuast (turbo back)

FMIC

Air Filter

12PSI

SAFC oR PFC

you will make anywhere from 250rwhp tp 270rwhp

what do you mean by SAFC or PFC im getting a turbo back exhuast next week and the speed cut defencer i was toying with getting a ECU but i should leave that till one of my last mods is that correct?