Ban Turbo Cars From P Platers? Just wanna know where this stands...

[red900ss]

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I own an R33 NA, i am looking to purchase an R33 GTST asap and if i am not able to purchase it between now and the 11th of july and i not legially allowed to drive it...?

Could someone please put my mind at ease?

Cheers,

Sindows

That sounds right. If you own the car on 10/7 at 23.59.59 you will be allowed to continue driving it.

That's my understanding anyway.

[red900ss]

ps. So you need to buy my car before then.

[sindows]

ps. So you need to buy my car before then.

Well what happens if i havnt lost my licenece and i dont own a can before then.... will i still be able to buy one and drive one?

-SINDOWS

[michadoo]

and what if you are in your mid/late 20s/30's and your only just going for your p's and would like to drive a turbo car?? not all p platers are 17 and even the 17 and 18 year olds can still be responsible behind the wheel of a turbo car.

I have never had any accident/crash, nor have i ever lost my licence for speeding or anything, i always drive safe and i am on my p's and i have a turbo car - why should i get punished too??

restricting driving turbo cars to those who have a good driving record could also work

[michadoo]

and what if you are in your mid/late 20s/30's and your only just going for your p's and would like to drive a turbo car?? not all p platers are 17 and even the 17 and 18 year olds can still be responsible behind the wheel of a turbo car.

I have never had any accident/crash, nor have i ever lost my licence for speeding or anything, i always drive safe and i am on my p's and i have a turbo car - why should i get punished too??

restricting driving turbo cars to those who have a good driving record could also work

BAN LOW PERFORMANCE DRIVERS - NOT HIGH PERFORMANCE CARS

[Sumo]

Alot of people dont understand that losing the young people to buy skylines is going to make the arse fall out of the import market. Its going to stop the fresh blood that is attracted to these forums wanting to know about skylines and how soon they can get into one.

Double edged weapon I say.

Sumo

[michadoo]

what i want to know is how they plan to implement and monitor this new law. what kind of fines will be given if you are caught driving a turbo car?

[Merli]

and what if you are in your mid/late 20s/30's and your only just going for your p's and would like to drive a turbo car?? not all p platers are 17 and even the 17 and 18 year olds can still be responsible behind the wheel of a turbo car.

Are you going to read the posts, or just post away blindly?

The reason why myself and others support this, is because P-platers have only been driving for a year, and lack the maturity and EXPERIENCE to drive a powerful car.

Yes, 30 year old P-platers should also be subject to restricted power levels whilst on their P's. As far as I understand, this is the case.

I have never had any accident/crash, nor have i ever lost my licence for speeding or anything, i always drive safe and i am on my p's and i have a turbo car - why should i get punished too??

OWNED by the rest of your peers. Bummer.

You can jump up and down and scream all you like... Fact of the matter is, P-platers are GENERALLY immature, and should NOT be driving powerful cars. If you're the exception, good for you, and if there were more people like you, perhaps we wouldn't NEED these power restrictions. Unfortunately, most P-platers AREN'T like you.

This can be evidenced by the kids posting in this very thread, who have written off cars and lost their licences.

[Duncan]

Well personally I think its a joke.

Any car sold today can get you going fast enough to kill yourself. A turbo audi makes 120kw, an na base falcon makes 182kw.

I would like to see 1 simple stat to change my mind....% of p platers that have died in a turbo car. If its more than 0.1% of total p platers I will be amazed

And no I'm not really on my Ps any more

[Menthu_Rae]

I wasn't going to post this - but Merli, with that last sentence of what you just said - you've annoyed me...

Your username rings a bell - I think you had attitude to one of my other posts a few months back... but I forget what it was exactly...

Either way - there's massive attitude in your post right now - and you sound *exactly* like the magistrate who handled my court case! I'm just going to say a few simple things and then live my life in bliss and be glad I don't know you personally :chairshot

The simple fact of the matter is that all P-platers lack the EXPERIENCE that might just save their lives whilst driving a powerful car. End of story.

ALL P Platers, you say? All of them? Every single one? Even the ones who started racing go karts at say, age 6 or 7 - and deal with race-prepped cars on the track every weekend?

I disagree somewhat, I don't think ALL P platers are INEXPERIENCED - in fact, I'd be willing to bet there are more than a dozen P platers our there who could drive better than you and handle an emergency situation better too... by gosh, imagine that, it must be some kind of MAGIC, seeing as they're supposedly inexperienced... :confused:

Losing your licence in the Merc was 100% your fault. If you were able to lose your licence in an 80kw diesel Merc, do you really think that giving you access to a 400kw GTR would make things any better? No.

Ah, but you don't know the situation or the facts Yes, I did a stupid thing - but the speed I did was NOT the stupid thing... want to know why? The following reasons, all occurring at once:

* My parents had recently seperated, in fact - my mum ran off with a woman about 10 years younger than her... leaving her husband of 18 years (my dad), her 17 year old son and 14 year old daughter... and stealing a HUGE sum of money from the family businesses and my dads joint bank account in the process...

* My (now ex) girlfriend of well over a year, having recently returned from China - I found out she had cheated on me, not with one guy (which I thought at the time - I recently found out it was with FOUR guys!)... add in the fact that she lied to me, said she had broken it off with him - and wanted to be with me again... and then turns around and says she can't forgive herself... THEN i find out that's a lie and she is in fact still "with" the guy - and planning to go back over there with him...

OK, so imagine the emotional trauma/stress from those 2 incidents occurring at once... Now, the stupid thing I did - was hop behind the wheel of a car, whilst upset and angry. Result? 95km/hr in a 60km/hr zone... (I was in fact driving to her place to "sort things out")

Do I sound like a hoon? Guess what, not 1 speeding ticket/demerit point in the 12 months before, or 8 months after...

So what happened? I made a mistake - and did something without thinking of the consequences. I've learnt my lesson now, unfortunately thought a rather large and costly mistake (my licence for 6 months, $620, my social life, my employment possibilities, etc etc)

So it doesn't matter what car I was in - I would have done a stupid thing anyway, what could have prevented it? Nothing, I guess. I could have not gotten in the car... but that same emotional state that makes hopping in the car a bad idea, also makes you not think about NOT hopping in the car... and it's only after being able to see this that you can realise it's a stupid thing to do...

On this, the same thing could have happened to some 20yro full licence holder - so don't just go blaming "P Platers" because I made a mistake and fall under this category.

End of the day, if comes down to this. When you get your P's, you've been driving for 1 year. You have very little driving experience, compared to the rest of the drivers on the road. What NEED could you possibly have, for driving a turbocharged car / V8? Answer? You don't NEED to drive a fast car on your P's. It's a WANT. It's dangerous for you, and other drivers on the road, therefore.... DENIED.

You don't NEED to drive a fast car on your full licence either, but at least by that stage you have 4 years driving experience under your belt and hopefully enough maturity to handle a more powerful car.

Maturity and experience are not relative to time, they stem from each individuals actions and life. I'm 18 (19 in a month) - and whilst you may not agree about what I'm going to say (probably because you've never met me) I believe that I have matured and been through a larger range of experiences than most people my age - purely because of my actions.

This relates to what you said here...

Unfortunately, most P-platers AREN'T like you.  

This can be evidenced by the kids posting in this very thread, who have written off cars and lost their licences.

If I didn't get hop behind the wheel of a car when upset - I wouldn't have lost my licence. If I wasn't driving a diesel merc, and in the wrong place at the wrong time - I wouldn't have written off the car.

The two things weren't linked to maturity - well, the emotional upset is arguable - I still stand by the fact that some 20+ yro could have gotten behind the wheel and done the same thing.

Anyway, I detailed the circumstances, with the exception of the write off, which just came down to the road, the conditions and the car - nothing to do with being stupid, in fact - I wasn't charged/declared at fault - so you can make up your own mind about whether I really am a "kid", providing "evidence" to your points/argument.

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^^ Big load of text summarised:

* Don't attack me unless you know the circumstances/know me in person

* Don't stereotype

* DO provide your opinion, but in an open-minded manner, rather than attacking and assuming/stereotyping

* I agree that the law is for the better and limitations should come in place - but it should be modified after initial testing/implementation to cater for:

* those who do the right thing/those who are not irresponsible, show-offs, or an obvious danger to road users

* those who DO have experience, maybe through logging hours on a track/driver training days, or something similar?

You said it's a want... this is a free country - so why deny *worthy* people of their wants and dreams?

[gexiaowen]

its all good man,,,,there are just heaps more nice girls around

plus u r almost 19 now,,,,so don't worry about the parents stuff,,,don't let it depress you in any way,,,,but i know how u felt

i've gone through the exact same events u did

so all the best^^

[OC]

Dude I agree with you 100%. And for all who think I have no experience behind the wheel of a car? No experience? Do you know me? NO, didnt think so. I have been racing circuits since I was 10, I have been racing Go-Carts since I was 7. I have driven a V8 Supercar, yes a V8 supercar...I was scared. But I did it...Dont say I dont have any experience behind the wheel of a powerful car. Im not an idiot, I know how to drive. As you can see I have had my L's since September last year...No experience? I dont think so. Later this year Im attending a week of Advanced driver training. Thats what P Platers should do. I think they should have to attend and pass certain training before driving these cars. Dont think you know me and my level of experience. Because u dont...

[OC]

Dude I agree with you 100%. And for all who think I have no experience behind the wheel of a car? No experience? Do you know me? NO, didnt think so. I have been racing circuits since I was 10, I have been racing Go-Carts since I was 7. I have driven a V8 Supercar, yes a V8 supercar...I was scared. But I did it...Dont say I dont have any experience behind the wheel of a powerful car. Im not an idiot, I know how to drive. As you can see I have had my L's since September last year...No experience? I dont think so. Later this year Im attending a week of Advanced driver training. Thats what P Platers should do. I think they should have to attend and pass certain training before driving these cars. Dont think you know me and my level of experience. Because u dont....

[satanic]

I just think all of this is a load of bull implemented by the government as a vehicle to collect more votes from a wavering society. All of this is just a cheap, risk-free adjustment to the system to take the heat off other issues such as public transport, water (or lack of), and health. The government doesnt really care about who dies and at what age, they just want the media off their backs about the bad things, and praising them about the good things -

"Daily Telegraph" - Victory for the People (aren't we people to?)

I am a final year P2 holder, bought a Skyline days ago, clean driving record... i don't think i am the "hoon" that they have branded me as.

Furthermore...

I read this on the SMH forum; if you were the author - this is just to show how much I appreciated your input.

Compare a Skyline (or equivalent) to a less powerful car... we'll take the same year of manufacture, same price, but different engines.

1) Much smaller brakes

2) Probably no airbags

3) No ABS, HICAS, Traction Control

Even though driving a less powerful car sounds correct; it is not necessarily as safe?

Anyone concur...

[Roy]

Dude I agree with you 100%. And for all who think I have no experience behind the wheel of a car? No experience? Do you know me? NO, didnt think so. I have been racing circuits since I was 10, I have been racing Go-Carts since I was 7. I have driven a V8 Supercar, yes a V8 supercar...I was scared. But I did it...Dont say I dont have any experience behind the wheel of a powerful car. Im not an idiot, I know how to drive. As you can see I have had my L's since September last year...No experience? I dont think so. Later this year Im attending a week of Advanced driver training. Thats what P Platers should do. I think they should have to attend and pass certain training before driving these cars. Dont think you know me and my level of experience. Because u dont...

Half your luck:)

But i can see the merit of both arguments. And tend to think the rule is a joke...

But your post seems to be missing the point. So what you can punt a car hard, brake well etc etc. But for day to day driving you can still be a sh1thouse driver, unable to reverse park quickly, ie not holding up traffic. May still travel too close to cars in front of you, may not read traffic flow properly meaning you are always jumping in and out of lanes increasing the liklihood of accidents etc etc

Years of racing experience mean d1ck when driving on the street, they are completely different things. Thats just the experience side of things, which can see you having a small prang, perhaps make a poor decision in a split second emergency. Odds are you wont kill yourself, you werent doing anything reckless etc, its just an experience thing.

So then you have the ppl that want a performance car. They want a performance car most likeyl cause they like going fast:) Then you have an added dimension you have to be concerned about. In this instance you just have to hope the driver has a level of maturity and understanding of what 1500kgs of speeding metal means when you have to change lanes, brake, steps sideways

Here is the big thing, the average Mum/dad Commodore/Falcon has enough grunt to do MASSIVE damage, so whats the big deal?

These threads are always interesting, lol sometimes scary but usually interesting:)

I dont think this will change many things...

[Roy]

....If I needed grey matter - why would I be studying Mechanical & Mechatronics Engineering and aiming to be in Aerospace eventually? Please don't just throw me in with everyone else...

And that simple statement proves you dont have a clue:) Engineers are the silliest bunch or booz driven, egotistical yet insecure bunch of lunatics in our society who should never be trusted to do anything other then dribble and confuse the lives of poor sub contractors who are left to fix our fark ups:)

j/k...im a mech engineer, it doesnt tell me anything more about you then the fact that your male:(

[b0neR]

CHANGES will not apply to current P-plate licence holders unless they are disqualified for an offence after July 11; and

ok, im on my Red P's and ill be gettin my greens at the end of july, after the 11th. 2 Questions:

Do i hypothetically need to get a turbo car now so im not affected or because i already have my license can i get one whenever?

and

If i get my Greens after the 11th would it reset my details and make me unable to get a turbo car?

[Menthu_Rae]

And that simple statement proves you dont have a clue:)  Engineers are the silliest bunch or booz driven, egotistical yet insecure bunch of lunatics in our society who should never be trusted to do anything other then dribble and confuse the lives of poor sub contractors who are left to fix our fark ups:)

j/k...im a mech engineer, it doesnt tell me anything more about you then the fact that your male:(

lol Roy, that's so true- even if it is a "joke" Anyway, yeah, I'm male... all the chicks are in Software Eng/Computer Systems/Civil!!! And by all, I mean all 10 of them :| lol. What do you need to know about me anyway - all that matters in this thread is each persons opinion on the issue with the odd flame war and personal attack, as some people seem to find necessary

[Merli]

I wasn't going to post this - but Merli, with that last sentence of what you just said - you've annoyed me...

Your username rings a bell - I think you had attitude to one of my other posts a few months back... but I forget what it was exactly...

Either way - there's massive attitude in your post right now - and you sound *exactly* like the magistrate who handled my court case! I'm just going to say a few simple things and then live my life in bliss and be glad I don't know you personally  :chairshot

Quite simply, I have this attitude in real life, as well as on the forums. What attitude is that? Well........... I'm opinionated and vocal. Two things that causes kids on internet forums to arc up, if I happen to disagree with them... Funny thing is how people LOVE IT when I argue on THEIR side and put forward their point of view instead of shooting it down

That's the problem with the internet. There is no emotion, and lack of timely responses. These two combined = butt-hurt forumers. Take it easy, and believe me when I say that if we had this conversation in real life, you wouldn't be feeling half the "anger" you are now, because you have the added beauty of the tone and emotion in my voice to convey my mood

ALL P Platers, you say? All of them? Every single one? Even the ones who started racing go karts at say, age 6 or 7 - and deal with race-prepped cars on the track every weekend?

I disagree somewhat, I don't think ALL P platers are INEXPERIENCED - in fact, I'd be willing to bet there are more than a dozen P platers our there who could drive better than you and handle an emergency situation better too... by gosh, imagine that, it must be some kind of MAGIC, seeing as they're supposedly inexperienced...  :confused:

Yes. ALL P-PLATERS. I'll say it again for you, in case you misunderstand again.

ALL P-PLATERS LACK EXPERIENCE.

Let me give you a hint... All the go-karting and "dealing with race-prepped cars" means sh1t-all when you have to drive on the roads and contend with the 17 year old kid who just got his licence and is thrashing the CR4P out of his WRX and weaving in and out of traffic.

All the dirt-bike riding experience in the WORLD means jack-sh1t when you have to contend with mothers who are late in driving their kids to school.

I'm not going to be conceited and say that I'm better than all P-plate drivers. I don't know that, and you don't know that I'm not. That was just a stupid claim with no basis whatsoever :confused:

Ah, but you don't know the situation or the facts Yes, I did a stupid thing - but the speed I did was NOT the stupid thing... want to know why? The following reasons, all occurring at once:

OK, so imagine the emotional trauma/stress from those 2 incidents occurring at once... Now, the stupid thing I did - was hop behind the wheel of a car, whilst upset and angry. Result? 95km/hr in a 60km/hr zone... (I was in fact driving to her place to "sort things out")

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Do you seriously not realise that you just concreted my argument right there?!?!?

That above, just REEKS of immaturity. How, you ask? Because a more mature person would not have gotten into a car whilst they were so emotional, and potentially cause a wreck, and hit another car/pedestrian/President and hurt themselves/other people/little kids/puppy dogs/bunny rabbits and cause a big pile up/petroleum tanker to explode/nuclear powerplant meltdown.

Now of course I'm exaggerating and being stupid, but do you see my point? Had you been 30 years old, and been through all that before, you would have been much less likely to hop into your car and take out your frustrations by speeding on our public roads.

What if, instead of that 80kw diesel Mercedes, you had a 400kw GTR. You my friend would not have been going 95 in a 60 zone. You would have been going 240 in a 60 zone.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

Do I sound like a hoon? Guess what, not 1 speeding ticket/demerit point in the 12 months before, or 8 months after...

No you don't. You sounded like an emotional, and immature teenager. Nothing wrong with that, it's only natural. But it's probably best if we kept those emotions under check and not hand them the keys to a GTR to take out all that anger and emotion out on.

So it doesn't matter what car I was in - I would have done a stupid thing anyway, what could have prevented it?

Nothing, other than not giving you a licence in the first place. Is that what you would prefer?

So nothing could have prevented you hopping into a car and driving around angry at the world and taking it out on that go-fast pedal..... but damage done was limited to a speeding ticket by the fact that you had a slow car. If you had a powerful car, you may or may not be here talking to us now.

So let me finish by saying all your arguments are based on "But not all P-platers are immature/hoons/morons/***cwits.... And I agree with you 100%. You sound like you may very well fall into the "excluded" category......... But you're no longer a pimple-faced 17 year old... The two extra years you have on fresh P-platers adds a LOT to maturity and life experience.

Fact of the matter is, the MAJORITY of P-platers lack the maturity and self-restraint to handle driving a powerful car. If we can reduce the road toll by limiting the power of cars P-platers can drive, is that a worthwhile agenda to chase? My answer is YES.

Don't throw the "more driver education is the way to go" casebook in my face, I'm probably the biggest advocate of that idea, but I also think power restrictions are a good idea. Simple fact of the matter is, P-Platers don't NEED to drive powerful cars with only 1 years driving experience under their belts. If you're one of the mature minority, I'm sorry that you're inconvenienced by this.

[Merli]

Well personally I think its a joke.

Any car sold today can get you going fast enough to kill yourself.  A turbo audi makes 120kw, an na base falcon makes 182kw.  

I would like to see 1 simple stat to change my mind....% of p platers that have died in a turbo car.  If its more than 0.1% of total p platers I will be amazed

And no I'm not really on my Ps any more

What?????

I read that the new law was based on power-weight ratios. Not whether or not a car was turbocharged or not? :confused: