MAGIC Cat vs NEW CATCO Cat

[Shaun]

must read

facts about magic cats:

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=101300

Thats an interesting read.

[Andi]

That facts page: I posted a question regarding whether or not his cats will pass the emissions test if put on a brand new car. Hasn't replied yet although he has replied to his other thread.

[CerealKiller]

Let SK's/AB's results speak for themselves guys

and those results are???

[Roy]

That facts page: I posted a question regarding whether or not his cats will pass the emissions test if put on a brand new car. Hasn't replied yet although he has replied to his other thread.

I dont think any cat guarantees a car will pass emissions. If it were that easy then cars from the factyory would be tuned with lots more power and let the cat sort out the emissions.

As i understand it, the condition of your engine, and its tune play as big a part as to whether or not you run a cat

[Andi]

I dont think any cat guarantees a car will pass emissions. If it were that easy then cars from the factyory would be tuned with lots more power and let the cat sort out the emissions.

As i understand it, the condition of your engine, and its tune play as big a part as to whether or not you run a cat

Yes I understand this, which is why I asked in regards to a BRAND NEW car. You'd think that car manufactures would make sure the cars they are selling brand new would comply with emission standards. Thus if the magic cat was truly up to emissions standards then when fitted on a new car it shoudln't have a problem passing right?

[noise]

Must... not... feed... the... troll.....

You have evidence its just a straight through pipe?  Post it up.  Or is this just going to be like your tirade against import agents?

The evidence is in the HUGE nothing from magic cats, they have not said once in all their ramblings that their cats would pass an australian EPA test.

No one will buy magic cats after its confirmed, its in their interests to show proof of their Cats beting Cats and not straight through pipes.

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It would be an identical situation to sell un-complianced cars directly from Japan, telling people that they comply to Japanese laws so are ok for Australian roads. That way you sell them cheaper then everyone else for the same performance.

err lol?

[lwells]

The evidence is in the HUGE nothing from magic cats, they have not said once in all their ramblings that their cats would pass an australian EPA test.  

No one will buy magic cats after its confirmed, its in their interests to show proof of their Cats beting Cats and not straight through pipes.

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So in otherwords you have absolutely no evidence one way or other, yet can safetly say all Magic cat owners have been ripped off.

As someonestolecc said, lets wait for the results.

[noise]

So in otherwords you have absolutely no evidence one way or other, yet can safetly say all Magic cat owners have been ripped off.

As someonestolecc said, lets wait for the results.

Have you read the post from magic cats on nissan forums??

read it then read the edited in last part to my last post.

[lwells]

Have you read the post from magic cats on nissan forums??

read it then read the edited in last part to my last post.

You can try and weasel your way out all you like: fact is you have no evidence for the claims you made.

I'll repost exactly what you said:

How many people have bought cats that are just a fancy straight through pipe?

You got ripped off guys

You quite clearly state that the Magic cat equates to a "fancy straight through pipe", that is, that it does nothing. You can't provide any evidence because you don't have any.

Yes, I have read a number of the posts by Magic Performance on Nissan Silva. Let me quote what they said:

Mark [the technical director] from the EPA rang us back this morning. He confirmed that neither the RTA nor EPA authorises the use of any type or brand of catalytic converter.

It is up to the purchaser and fitter to ensure that the catalytic converter fitted to the car is suitable for the job and that the vehicle will pass an EPA test if required.

This situation is in no way similar to that which you described relating to importing cars.

That there is no definitive document showing compliance with Australian standards is not proof that it does not comply with the standards. . A lack of evidence is not evidence of anything but.... a lack of evidence. Funnily enough, SK is trying to fill this void rather than just making wild claims with no evidence.

[browny]

The evidence is in the HUGE nothing from magic cats, they have not said once in all their ramblings that their cats would pass an australian EPA test.

Actually I don't know how you could ever sell a generic aftermarket part and guarantee it would meet any test, unless it was over engineered to buggery (=expensive).

If I was selling generic aftermarket parts I certainly wouldn't guarantee any performance aspects of the product in a specific application, especially if it was targetted at modified performance cars which are each going be unique.

Guaranteeing replacement OEM parts is different, because you are designing the product to meet a known application/specification. As long as you are confident the product meets or exceeds the OEM spec then you can make the guarantee.

So I would ask if Magic are selling factory replacement parts or generic parts. If they are selling generic parts I think there's buckleys of them ever guaranteeing anything.

Also, although I like the idea of testing the magic and Catco products side by side, I think we'll need to be very careful interpreting the results. Effectively all we are going to be able to gauge is the relative performance of each product on the test car. I think it would be wrong to try and extrapolate these results to mean that any other car will pass or fail an EPA test. I'd also like to see any tests baselined against a totally stock car with a new OEM cat.

[noise]

BTW Guys I have a new type of CAT for sale.

Its $200 and has the best flow on the market.

I know it looks like a straight through pipe. but really its a CAT, *points to the writing on the side thats proves it* They were made to air emissions standards in Africa, and since the RTA doesnt have a list of approved CATs, they cant do anything without emmisions test.

pm your interest.

[shif_tea]

BTW guys, i've got a skyline for sale that some dude down the street said looks like a honda. I believe him straight away without any verification so i'll sell it to someone cheap.

Some people will believe anything without any proof if its the more interesting way to go.

[browny]

ok then wise guys.

If you were magic, how would you go about providing this so called proof that the product works?

[shif_tea]

i'm' just hoping that when SK and the others get the testing done it passes. Not only cause i bought one but mainly cause i want to rub his nose into it!!

[Shaun]

Actually I don't know how you could ever sell a generic aftermarket part and guarantee it would meet any test, unless it was over engineered to buggery (=expensive).

If I was selling generic aftermarket parts I certainly wouldn't guarantee any performance aspects of the product in a specific application, especially if it was targetted at modified performance cars which are each going be unique.

Guaranteeing replacement OEM parts is different, because you are designing the product to meet a known application/specification. As long as you are confident the product meets or exceeds the OEM spec then you can make the guarantee.

So I would ask if Magic are selling factory replacement parts or generic parts. If they are selling generic parts I think there's buckleys of them ever guaranteeing anything.

Also, although I like the idea of testing the magic and Catco products side by side, I think we'll need to be very careful interpreting the results. Effectively all we are going to be able to gauge is the relative performance of each product on the test car. I think it would be wrong to try and extrapolate these results to mean that any other car will pass or fail an EPA test. I'd also like to see any tests baselined against a totally stock car with a new OEM cat.

Browny, i think youre spot on there mate. If i were selling performance parts i wouldnt make a statement like that either. There are soooo many variables.

[INASNT]

It is just like places like autobarn having "for track use' written on all the stuff they sell even tho 99.9999999999999999% of the time people use them on the street.

[Shaun]

BTW Guys I have a new type of CAT for sale.

Its $200 and has the best flow on the market.  

I know it looks like a straight through pipe. but really its a CAT, *points to the writing on the side thats proves it* They were made to air emissions standards in Africa, and since the RTA doesnt have a list of approved CATs, they cant do anything without emmisions test.

pm your interest.

Who is this idiot. Youre making a fool of yourself mate! Clearly not very intelligent.

[INASNT]

He does have 1 point as magic keep saying their cats are made to california standards, and last time I checked we dont live anywhere near california.

[shif_tea]

yeah but the point being that californian standards are apparently a lot stricter than australian standards.

[satanic]

So any news on an eta for this test? I've got my mind on purchasing gear...

So far I have 3 options, and I'd really like all the information before I make up my mind.