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time to pull out mum's barina and go street racing!!

seriously, all common cars (e.g. c'dore, falcons, camrys) are lethal and more readily available to p platers than the mercs/911's/beemers etc. Instead of wasting tax-payers' money on making/enforcing bans, the government should focus on training p-platers (e.g. subsidised driver-training sessions) and also have some kind of hazard perception test that should be taken before getting P1 license. More open days should take place at tracks such as oran park and eastern creek so p platers (and other car enthusiusts) can punt their cars in a safe, controlled environment. I rekon there should also be some sort of gathering away from the general public and public roads where modded cars can be shown off/raced etc. (like that "race wars" in The Fast And The Furious movie)

my 5 cents...

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This is a joke. This legislation was ONLY introduced so as the government could charge P platers, who drive high performance cars, a $25 admin fee. Another TAX in the name of safety. Even motoring groups agree its a Joke. Again safety is used as an excuse to TAX motorists. So yes you can drive your performance car you just need to pay an extra $25 a year.

Interestingly enough the legislation was based on data which shows young drivers have a higher rate of crashes than those of middle age. BUT the elderly represent similar figures. Where’s the TAX for them? Nothing is being done in the case of the elderly because they are yet to find a way of taxing them gracefully.

To finish I wonder if this TAX will go towards road safety or road trauma funds? I think not.

So your saying new P platers can drive any car they want now?? Didnt they say 'Ban'.

Yes, that’s right. Announced today there are a number of concessions to the 'Ban' all of which attract a $25 fee. I’m unsure of the details of the concessions, attempting to find out more. This was announced on 10 News tonight.

hey guys just thought u might like to know, this rule doesnt apply for those who already have their P's!!!!! i went up to the rta and asked them, only applys to those who get their P's after July 11. anyone who gets their P's after this date, will be issued a set of new P plates, different to those we use now, this is how they will distingish between new P platers and existing ones. As for us, if u already have ur P's and lose ur license, if u dont get them back before July 11, then wen you do get them back you cannot drive with more than one passenger in ur vehicle.

thats my 2 cents!!! thought u guys wud like to know

Yes, that’s right. Announced today there are a number of concessions to the 'Ban' all of which attract a $25 fee. I’m unsure of the details of the concessions, attempting to find out more. This was announced on 10 News tonight.

Where are you getting this info from 'got any other sources'... sounds pretty stupid 'then again the govt can be very stupid sometimes'

Hi all, just thought I would post some additional information from the RTA website on this issue which highlights some exemptions. This may help clarify some questions being asked in this post. Note how it states all "NEW" provisional drivers !!!!!! Does that mean that all current P platers with a car in the banned list are exempt ?????? I'll make some enquiries and post my findings later on.

(Extracted from RTA.NSW.GAV.AU)

On 11 July 2005 the NSW Government will introduce two changes to the provisional licence scheme. Both of these new initiatives aim to help reduce the young driver road toll.

Prohibited vehicle condition

The prohibited vehicle condition restricts all new provisional (P1 and P2) drivers from driving certain vehicles while on their provisional licence.

Prohibited vehicles are those with:

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Eight or more cylinders.

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A turbocharged engine (diesel exempt).

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A supercharged engine (diesel exempt).

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Engine performance modifications.

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High performance six cylinder engines.

A list of prohibited vehicles is available to view and download from the box at the bottom of this page.

Please note: the list will be updated as required.

Guidelines for light vehicle modifications (Vehicle standards information sheet VSI 06) are also available to view and download from the box at the bottom of this page.

This condition does not apply to:

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Existing provisional (P1 and P2) licence holders, unless they are disqualified for a serious driving offence from 11 July 2005.

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Learner licence holders.

Passenger condition

The passenger condition applies to provisional (P1 and P2) drivers disqualified for a serious driving offence. After the disqualification period the provisional (P1 and P2) licence holder will be restricted from carrying more than one passenger when driving. This condition will apply for 12 months.

Exemptions from vehicle restrictions

Exemptions may be granted if:

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More powerful vehicles are required for genuine employment purposes (statutory declaration to be provided by an employer).

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Eight cylinder 4WD vehicles are required by country drivers who have no practical alternative.

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A low performance turbocharged engine vehicle is the principal family vehicle (ie registered to a parent).

If exceptional circumstances can be demonstrated, application for an exemption can be made at any motor registry upon payment of a $23 fee. You cannot drive a prohibited vehicle unless you are exempted and owning a prohibited vehicle does not make you exempt.

meh, didn't see an R32 GTS-4 there.

I say screw them. I'm a responsible driver, i drive for a bloody living! :|

Just more shit put on P-platers backs just because a few individuals chose to be complete idiots and ruin it for everyone else

also, how the f$%k can you afford a stagea RS four on like $7/hour?

Dont think it covered the R34 GTR Nismo Z-Tune.

there is no way of legally bring one in and registering it :P

If they wanted to have some sort of rule maybe they should have adopted a power to weight ratio like we have in Vic?

Either way I beleive you can kill yourself quite efficiently in a Civic as you could in a GTR...

I think we may be looking down the wrong path. I just look at the lines:

Prohibited vehicles are those with

"A turbocharged engine (diesel exempt)"

I presume the list is just a quick reference. It means all turbo cars are banned even if it isnt on the list.

gov'ts and their crooked ways. putting more lives at risk just because of the political gain.

Now not only do we have higher points loss and most likely more people driving without licences as a result. We will also have more P platers feeling that they have to speed all the time, since when they feel the need to go fast they will have to take more risks to do it!

Dimwits who want to speed and act anti-socially in their cars are still going to do so. They will be just doing it in cars with crap brakes.

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Why don't they just specify mandatory brake upgrades to all P plate cars, probably save even more lives.

Answer: Because it would cost them too much

Brakes help but in most situations, but people wouldn't know how to use them instinctively. We can all sit here and talk theory but many drivers (young and old) lack these instincts.

Some non-ABS people just mash pedal and prey, which means a massive slide onto what they're looking at.

Some ABS people mash pedal, and jump off it because they're not use to the pulsing pedal.

Brakes help but in most situations, but people wouldn't know how to use them instinctively. We can all sit here and talk theory but many drivers (young and old) lack these instincts.

Some non-ABS people just mash pedal and prey, which means a massive slide onto what they're looking at.

Some ABS people mash pedal, and jump off it because they're not use to the pulsing pedal.

That comes back to driver training programs.

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