ISLAM - What do you really know about it?

[allblitz]

Actually, the new testament of the bible says that it is not what goes in the mouth of man that makes him unclean but the words that come out....

What this means is that we can eat anything we like because the body will dispose of it but it is the harmful things we say or harmful way we act that makes us "unclean".

No offence to Islam here but I think the Koran is written based on the old testament of the bible, not the other way around...bible came first not vice versa but I understand that people can interpret readings anyway they want.

Also, you mention that many people have converted to Islam but what about those who have converted from Islam??? It's easy to learn about Islam in  this country and I'll tell you why....If I was to go and preach about any other religion in a Muslim country, it would never be allowed. We as Australian's have very high tolerance and respect for other peoples religion and we allow schools and places of worship of these religions to be setup and operate and so it is easy for people to learn about them. Try opening up a church or Hindu Temple in Saudi Arabia for example and see the consequence. I'm not saying that Islam commands its followers to stop the building of places of worship or schools but where does this level of fanaticalism come from? Is there any tolerance, respect and freedom of choice from these people? If so I shouldn't have an issue openly preaching any religion in some of these countries.

Sorry about the long post and please understand there is no offence aimed at Islam...just voicing the perception some fanatics give out about the religion.

You obviously haven't read the Quran for you to make such statements.

The Quran is not based on the old testament. It may contain similar stories, views in some area's as the old testament. As muslims, we believe the Injeel (Bible) was sent to Jesus (Peace be upon him) but that scripture which was sent to Jesus is no longer what is called the Bible today. We believe the bible today (with its many versions) has been tampered and altered by man.

To cut it short, i don't wish to get into a dialogue, this is not the right place for it, if you read upon Islamic history, you will see that non-muslims who lived in an Islamic state were free to practice their religion and worship their god/s. When you make statements against 'Islam', please quote from its scripture (Quran) and not from certain practices of some governments.

In regards to 'muslims' converting to christianity - this may be so, but you can count them with one hand. Islam is and has been for a long time the fastest growing religion in the West. Since 9/11 the number of people accepting islam has increased dramatically. Why?

Anyway, purpose of this thread was not to force my 'fanatic' views onto others, but was to advertise a lecture series that will take place.

Lets leave it at that, if you need to discuss this matter in further, i would love to correspond via email. My email is [email protected]

Regards,

Husnu.

[allblitz]

Actually, the new testament of the bible says that it is not what goes in the mouth of man that makes him unclean but the words that come out....

What this means is that we can eat anything we like because the body will dispose of it but it is the harmful things we say or harmful way we act that makes us "unclean".

No offence to Islam here but I think the Koran is written based on the old testament of the bible, not the other way around...bible came first not vice versa but I understand that people can interpret readings anyway they want.

Also, you mention that many people have converted to Islam but what about those who have converted from Islam??? It's easy to learn about Islam in  this country and I'll tell you why....If I was to go and preach about any other religion in a Muslim country, it would never be allowed. We as Australian's have very high tolerance and respect for other peoples religion and we allow schools and places of worship of these religions to be setup and operate and so it is easy for people to learn about them. Try opening up a church or Hindu Temple in Saudi Arabia for example and see the consequence. I'm not saying that Islam commands its followers to stop the building of places of worship or schools but where does this level of fanaticalism come from? Is there any tolerance, respect and freedom of choice from these people? If so I shouldn't have an issue openly preaching any religion in some of these countries.

Sorry about the long post and please understand there is no offence aimed at Islam...just voicing the perception some fanatics give out about the religion.

You obviously haven't read the Quran for you to make such statements.

The Quran is not based on the old testament. It may contain similar stories, views in some area's as the old testament. As muslims, we believe the Injeel (Bible) was sent to Jesus (Peace be upon him) but that scripture which was sent to Jesus is no longer what is called the Bible today. We believe the bible today (with its many versions) has been tampered and altered by man.

To cut it short, i don't wish to get into a dialogue, this is not the right place for it, if you read upon Islamic history, you will see that non-muslims who lived in an Islamic state were free to practice their religion and worship their god/s. When you make statements against 'Islam', please quote from its scripture (Quran) and not from certain practices of some governments.

In regards to 'muslims' converting to christianity - this may be so, but you can count them with one hand. Islam is and has been for a long time the fastest growing religion in the West. Since 9/11 the number of people accepting islam has increased dramatically. Why?

Anyway, purpose of this thread was not to force my 'fanatic' views onto others, but was to advertise a lecture series that will take place.

Lets leave it at that, if you need to discuss this matter in further, i would love to correspond via email. My email is [email protected]

Regards,

Husnu.

[allblitz]

Allblitz u dont smoke drink or cheat.. but if it came to your gihad or how eva u spell it would u pick up arms and kill?

My Jihad?

[inark]

ignore danny... hes an idiot.

[allblitz]

Actually, the new testament of the bible says that it is not what goes in the mouth of man that makes him unclean but the words that come out....

What this means is that we can eat anything we like because the body will dispose of it but it is the harmful things we say or harmful way we act that makes us "unclean".

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."

[Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."

[Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

[allblitz]

ignore danny... hes an idiot.

Which ones danny : )

[VLS_BACK]

Jihad. holy war..?

the war bosnian muslims.. albanian muslims. Iraq;s all want... watching SBS news a few weeks back. they had a young guy who claimed to be a muslim leader of some sort for youth who claimed western females deserved to be rapped because the clothes they were.. that if Jihad came to you. you should not be scared to take arms to fight...

Does the general muslim feel the same way?

[Cefiro_PWA]

honestly, all i have to say is..

if you dont eat pork and say its dirty, your a piece of a shit loser who is a complete wussy.

if you dont have the occasianal beer drink or two at a pub or what not , your also a loser.

everyone swears here and there... nothing wrong with that.

im christian , go to church once or twice a year...

religion is great, but not eating pork is just very low....

every animal is dirty.. that is why they have butchers to clean and get them nice and mikey mouse

[CNR33]

honestly, all i have to say is..

if you dont eat pork and say its dirty, your a piece of a shit loser who is a complete wussy.

if you dont have the occasianal beer drink or two at a pub or what not , your also a loser.

everyone swears here and there... nothing wrong with that.

im christian , go to church once or twice a year...

religion is great, but not eating pork is just very low....

every animal is dirty.. that is why they have butchers to clean and get them nice and mikey mouse

How profound, will you be speaking at the seminar?

[allblitz]

Jihad. holy war..?

the war bosnian muslims.. albanian muslims. Iraq;s all want... watching SBS news a few weeks back. they had a young guy who claimed to be a  muslim leader of some sort for youth who claimed western females deserved to be rapped because the clothes they were.. that if Jihad came to you. you should not be scared to take arms to fight...

Does the general muslim feel the same way?

Definition of Jihad: 'To struggle'

If jihad (a struggle) came to me - i would not be a man if i did not stand up and fight for what i believe.

I was born and raised in Australia, therefore, there is no Jihad for me. No ones coming to my personal space and threatening me. But if you look at bosnians (and this is the view of the non muslims/historians) they were attacked, tortured, raped and killed for what reason? NO reason at all. If this is the type of jihad your referring to, then I support that without a doubt, i would send all my money to assist these people to defend themselves.

We live a comfortable land safe ife here in Australia (Thank God). But we need to step out of our shoes and into the shoes of others to really understand what situation they are in.

Regarding the palestinians for example (suicide bombers). If you were to come home and see your house bulldozed, your wife and kids buried dead under the rubble, then you went to your parents house and seen the same thing there. (For what reason - only because they are muslims and are standing up for their rights).

Answer honestly- besides becoming mentally unstable - what would you do? You dont have the arms as those attacking you. All they can do is strap themselves with bombs.

Like i said, I am a Muslim born and raised in Australia. I have 2 children, and i try to teach them what is right and wrong. And kindness is an essential role of a Muslim. But when it comes to speaking the truth there are no buts about it.

We cant seem to understand because we havent been faced with these hardships.

To end it all, i do agree there are muslim who are 'extremists' and their actions are against Islam and i completely disagree with them. But this also comes with other religions.

[allblitz]

honestly, all i have to say is..

if you dont eat pork and say its dirty, your a piece of a shit loser who is a complete wussy.

if you dont have the occasianal beer drink or two at a pub or what not , your also a loser.

everyone swears here and there... nothing wrong with that.

im christian , go to church once or twice a year...

religion is great, but not eating pork is just very low....

every animal is dirty.. that is why they have butchers to clean and get them nice and mikey mouse

I don't mean to be rude, but you say your a christian, and you go to church twice a year. Do you believe in your religion and scripture?

All of the above is in the bible. And if you are a christian - then Jesus (Peace be upon him) is the best example for you to follow.

[Cefiro_PWA]

How profound, will you be speaking at the seminar?

why the fu ck would i go to a piece of sh it seminar , where some complete di ck head low life is trying to rip you off and brain wash you

[Cefiro_PWA]

I don't mean to be rude, but you say your a christian, and you go to church twice a year.  Do you believe in your religion and scripture?

All of the above is in the bible.  And if you are a christian - then Jesus (Peace be upon him) is the best example for you to follow.

I go church when i have to, as you may know even churche's are sometimes not all about belief, they want there fair share of money too.

jesus doesnt say go to church every day and youll go to heavan..

yeh i believe in jesus, not islam or whatever you call it

[allblitz]

why the fu ck would i go to a piece of sh it seminar , where some complete di ck head low life is trying to rip you off and brain wash you

I cannot stop you from acting the way you are. But believe me, you are only degrading yourself man.

Why would you get upset at a seminar aimed at informing people about other beliefs.

No one's gonna hold a gun to your head and brain wash you. I would ask for you to show respect please.

[VLS_BACK]

Door swings both ways mate.. that didnt happen in bosnia. the serbs didnt just walk in and kill bosnians.. look at history mate. serbians have never eva eva eva eva eva evaaa been in a war that didnt involve some one attacking them and there land.. goat lovers.. WW1... WW2 . croatian bosnian war... Kosovo... serbs have never Invaded any country in its history... and dont start with that shit wit me. i lost a cousin who was shot walking home form school.. he was 13 at the time.

you answered my question to would u pick up a gun and attack australians if it came to it.

basically...

[Cefiro_PWA]

I cannot stop you from acting the way you are.  But believe me, you are only degrading yourself man.

Why would you get upset at a seminar aimed at informing people about other beliefs.

No one's gonna hold a gun to your head and brain wash you.  I would ask for you to show respect please.

no thanks mate, im orthodox and dont give ashit about your stupid religion.. why post here and cause trouble in the first place

[R31Nismoid]

dont resort to childish behaviour

or this thread is gone and warnings replace them

[VLS_BACK]

Agreed.

[VLS_BACK]

i mean agreed with cefiro...

[allblitz]

Door swings both ways mate.. that didnt happen in bosnia. the serbs didnt just walk in and kill bosnians.. look at history mate. serbians have never eva eva eva eva eva evaaa  been in a war that didnt involve some one attacking them and there land.. goat lovers.. WW1... WW2 . croatian bosnian war... Kosovo... serbs have never Invaded any country in its history...  and dont start with that shit wit me. i lost a cousin who was shot walking home form school.. he was 13 at the time.

you answered my question to would u pick up a gun and attack australians if it came to it.

basically...

Ok, this is getting out of hand. Lecture series is on July 8 and 9, those who want to come and learn about Islam can come.

But as i said, dont judge the actions of Muslims and assume this is 'Islam'. Judge islamic according to its Scripture (the Quran).

Serbia - bosnia war: I think its best if we lread the findings of historians and NATO.

In regards to your cousin: with all honesty man, i don't wish this upon anyone. Wether its my worse enemy, or a guy's son who has just killed a member of my family. No innocent person deserves their life to be taken. But pls don't assume that this is the view of every Muslim or something.