R32 Vs R33

[adzi_metallica]

Thats what im worried about when he gets his 400rwkw in 5 years but hopefully i'll still beat him reason for ( i was going to buy one) i cant get a gtr is i CANNOT get insurance seeing as im only 19 and i like to work on cars and see that i had some input to what makes it go or what makes it blow if you get me......how would a to4e or r go on one? seeing as the Ford 4lt engines theyre like the medium sized ones ( yes i own a ford but i love em) but guys are using these and getting full boost at around 3200rpm how would a turbo of this size handle on a skyline

p.s ford guys are getting 205rwkws with these to4s with UNOPENED engines

Thanks guys

[liber8_d]

Hey, I've got a GTR and I'm only 22.

And by the way, Ford guys are getting 300rwkw+++ easy with "unopened" engines, some more like 400rwkw, all on stadard heads, rods and pistons. They have around 190rwkw or so standard. They're getting well over 1000hp out of them now with modified heads, rods, forgies and big turbos.

[Cubes]

Simple..

Get a R32 GTS4, over time build up an R32 RB25DE or Rb30, some nice headwork and lumpy cams.

Bolt on a suitable turbo 500-600hp turbo and off you launch with your head stuck in the seat running your high 11 sec 1/4's on street tyres.

At the end of the day you are going to need 4wd to get any decent amount of power/torque down to the ground. But where does it end??

Just don't let their power figures scare you as my little old R32 RB20DET running 16psi and making 164rwkw used to hold its own against a 280kw LS1.

164rwkw is around 220kw at the fly, thats 60kw less than the mightly ls1 to accelerate at the same pace.

[FATGTS-R]

How much work can you do yourself? If its little, take others advice and get a car with a headstart on the mods i.e exhaust,cooler, fuel system and PFC.

At present, my opinion is its a buyers market for skylines and there are some decent cars with above mods going for reasonable money.

Because $10K gets gobbled up frightingly fast if you pay retail workshop labour rates.

[adzi_metallica]

Well if i can i will get a r32 gtr, how much do you pay for insurance if you dont mind me asking, im not talking about the ba models i know how much they put out damn bastards im talking about a 4ltr engine from eb's and such from over 10 years ago putting out over 200 rwkws unopened from just a turbo....if i can get a gtr with fmic, exhaust, i'll probably put on n1 turbos and ecu with larger injectors and custom headers......is it possible with ecus, nowadays to actually have two maps lets say at a press of a button u can go from 150kws (economy) to around 300+ (just figures).......id be very interested in that cause i dont want to drive around with 300+ kws for no reason......thanks

[NFS]

( yes i own a ford but i love em) but guys are using these and getting full boost at around 3200rpm how would a turbo of this size handle on a skyline  

p.s ford guys are getting 205rwkws with these to4s with UNOPENED engines

Thanks guys

What Ford do you own?

[adzi_metallica]

EBII Gli

[NFS]

If you really wanna beat your mate, spend 10K on a turbo kit for that, I know a guy that had an EB all up he spent something like 8k for EVERYTHING needed to run a 13.6 quarter mile, on 10 pound boost he made something like 186 rwkw, the kit included a garrett gt35/40 internally gated turbo,wolf 3d, bigger injectors, etc etc. And remember it doesn't stop at 10 pound. The falcon engines are also quite strong, even if it does blow just buy another one for $500 from the trading post

Or you could spend the rest of the 2k to rebuild your engine with an ACL race series rebuild kit, get the rods crack tested and aligned, lower the comp, ARP rod bolts and a balance, a set up like that is proven to take more than 300 rwkw all day everyday.

[wheels_24]

Hey man the GTR is the go there is so much more room to play with, and as faras the tuning goes i take it you mean by the petrol pressure and boost and that stuff. the best thing to do is get the car set up for your 300rwkw + (just figure) and then if you dont want to use it dont put your right foot down as far thats the best boost control right there

[Cubes]

I was quoted slightly under $2000 for a GTR, that was rating 1 under 25.

[psybic]

I don't understand why you would go with a GTSt if you are after 300kw @ wheels... It would take alot more to get them there. A GTR can get 300kw @ wheels with very minimal mods.

Get one now, beat him now. In 5 years when he does whatever you said about some crazy kit, you would have already built up CAMS, Bigger Turbos, PowerFC, bigger injectors, so on. You could be looking at 350kw @ wheels pretty easy with that combo. The GTR is always going to be lighter too.

Just think of the extremes, if you bought an excel and beefed it up.. the limit would be very low of what you can achieve. SO to a lesser extent, the limit of GTSt is lower (with the given budget)

[psybic]

If you really wanna beat your mate, spend 10K on a turbo kit for that, I know a guy that had an EB all up he spent something like 8k for EVERYTHING needed to run a 13.6 quarter mile, on 10 pound boost he made something like 186 rwkw, the kit included a garrett gt35/40 internally gated turbo,wolf 3d, bigger injectors, etc etc. And remember it doesn't stop at 10 pound. The falcon engines are also quite strong, even if it does blow just buy another one for $500 from the trading post

Or you could spend the rest of the 2k to rebuild your engine with an ACL race series rebuild kit, get the rods crack tested and aligned, lower the comp, ARP rod bolts and a balance, a set up like that is proven to take more than 300 rwkw all day everyday.

And again. 10K kit for a 13.6?

22K for a WHOLE GTR will go in the 12's. Then go get you "KIT" later, find some 11's....

[Cubes]

The cost of doing the GTST or GTR up equals its self out with the purchase of 2 turbo's vs one. Both will need injectors, fuel pumps, ecu.

The GTST will need a headgasket to drop the comp.

It now comes down to traction, which the GTR has lots of.

GTS4 and build up a RB25DE or simply drop in a RB26DETT is a cheaper option from an initial outlay point of view.

People state yer by the time you spend this much you could have got this.. Its not always the way it works, having the money or finance upfront is not always a possibility, isn't this why we build up cars to make them faster?

The amount of money I've spent on mine I could have easily bought a 32 GTR. Point is I couldn't afford it outright being a full time uni student so I settled on a 32 GTST.

[Roy]

I don't understand why you would go with a GTSt if you are after 300kw @ wheels... It would take alot more to get them there. A GTR can get 300kw @ wheels with very minimal mods.

A GTR would be the go, but dont kid yourself that its cheap to get 300rwkws. Irrespective of whether you have a GTST or GTR to get 300rwkws you will need:

- PFc

- Injectors

- clutch

- cat back exhaust

- some form of boost controller

But now having the GTR, its going to cost more for the front pipes, more for the turbos, more for the filters. But with a GTST you will need an intercooler.

Get a GTR, but its not a $2,000 proposition to get 300rwkws out of them:(

[IOWNU]

Between the R33 GTST and R32 GTST, i would def. go the R33 GTST. It's newer, and to me it felt A LOT quicker. Ofcourse the best option as many ppl have said, go the GTR

[Links]

Spend the money and get an R32 GTR.. only a little bit more than a R33 gts-t (newish) and it's gonna have 26DETT.. and it's lighter.. sounds like a plan to me..

[NFS]

And again. 10K kit for a 13.6?

22K for a WHOLE GTR will go in the 12's. Then go get you "KIT" later, find some 11's....

All he had to to was turn the boost up, it was capable of an 11.

But if adzi can get a R32 GTR then IMO he should definetely get that.

[Lithium]

Am I the only person reading this who thinks its a bit lame buying a car just to beat someone??

If you do that, you are destined for disappointment - there is always a biggest fish. Get something ywhich makes you happy, you'll always be the winner at the end of the day if you take it for a drive and don't want to stop.

[rukus]

cant belive i am saying this but if you want to beat him get an r32 swap the engine out with either a rb25det or rb26dett get some suspension work done and a few other goodies and thats a good start

that's my car

and umm R32's look better than 33's

[adzi_metallica]

Thanks for the reply guys hopefully i can get some cash saved and get the gtr, and no i wont control the power with my right foot cause i dont trust my self i will get sumthing worked up for this im sure ecus can run two maps these days not jus fuel pressure and boost pressure but everything (i.e. a limiter) and then a flick of a switch KABOOM well if (when) i get the gtr i'll look at getting n1 turbos or t4 turbos put on..exhaust system from turbos back......ecu (as said)......injectors.....cams.......and front mount.......hopefully mid 2007 this willl be done sounds long way away but time fly's these days