Where To Draw The "line"

[Col-GTSX]

I saw the report on ACA and i have heard the discussions previously.

But i think differentlly to others.... What do you guys think. How can it be done if it were to be done. How whould it be controled and how do you measure the performance restrictons...

I mean its all good to say ban turbos/superchargers. But if you pump 10 grand into a N/A 4 cylinder motor you can get results too. I mean a GTS-T has great power but it also has great brakes.

If you buy a stock gemini with rust all through it. Then spend 10 grand on a motor and dont upgrade the brakes. Would this not be more deadly.

What about a curfue??? Whould this actually do anything....

What about better driver education... Would this do anything???

Whats your thoughts???

[siddr20]

nah i think its the attitudes of most people that need changing.. so yea, driver education should be number one thing, before you get your Ls or Red Ps..

Offcourse everyone is gonna speed, even grannies.. Nothin can stop speedin, unless they make every vechile fitted with some special device, that only lets you drive at certain speeds in certain areas.. Dont know how they will implement that one, but as you know technlogy is a great thing.. lets not go into that just yet..

But see, everyones gonna attact this issue from each side, and say WAIT< how about my side.. This issue can never be solved, and curfew is the stupidest thing ever.. Coz maybe out of say 10 people for example, there wil be one red p plater who works at night, and ndeds the car to come back home..

And etc etc etc etc, which i couldnt be farked writing about..

But im glad they introduced the new law for banning high performance cars for new P platers..

Lol anwyas im over it.. ahhaah .. i will read what other ppl write..

[chaos]

dont like curfew, mainly cause on weekends i work late into the night so yeh.

Driver education such as days at a track learning how to control the car when it spins, brakes lock etc is good, but problem is, these days arnt cheap and most teens (i assume this is targeted at younger drivers) cant/wont pay for these days unless they were made at a reasonable price.

Banning High performance cars would be difficult, find that police would be pulling over every import/worked car. This wasteing police time and our tax $$$.

They need to look at having more track/drift days at tracks which are close to main areas, not like in Brisbane where you have to drive an hour to get to a track, as people simply wouldnt do this, why do it when you can go to some industrial area thats 20mins away and do it for free.

Operation Drag on the goldcoast was great (why it closed im dumbfounded) it was close to surfers, was open often aswell, they need tracks like this where drivers can get their fix at a decent price. Not charging $100+ for these nights but something bit more reasonable.

[Col-GTSX]

I think your right there... Open a skid pan 24/7 for free and you wont have any problems....

[siddr20]

Banning High performance cars would be difficult, find that police would be pulling over every import/worked car. This wasteing police time and our tax $$$.

hmm yea waste of money..

maybe to the ppl who register their cars in their name, should have some special number next to their numberplate or a symbol.. meaning, that yes, iam able to drive this car, so dont pull me over!!!

hahah.. just a stupid idea by me.. very bored!!

[Col-GTSX]

I know its un practicle but if it costs then its goona keep happening on the streets.... I mean when i moved to my new house. I had 3 trees out the front... now i have none....

3 seperate young idiots speeding and loosing control.... Now i got no trees. If it happens again they will crash through the fence and hit the line....

[dezz]

driver training is whats needed. but at the end of the day, an idiot in a skyline is still an idiot in a datsun sunny.

he or she will still kill themselves and probably others no matter what they drive.

the fact is that the majority of performance car owners are enthusiasts, and dont mis-treat their car so often...its a few ruining it for us all

i just hope that they keep planning these laws for another year and a bit...and then ill be off my p's and it wont affect me....now that im buying a skyline!

[sewid]

I think we need to ban shows like ACA seriously. How they get away with the bullsh1t they do and call it "current affairs" or even "journalism" is beyond me.

[lanc3]

Is there any way to see that footage that was shwon on ACA?

Wasn't watching it

[dezz]

Is there any way to see that footage that was shwon on ACA?

Wasn't watching it 

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i've got a video on my comp from a thing on ACA that was on a while ago...

but seriously, the wankers in this video DESERVE to have their car taken and sold. they are absolute wankers, with no respect for anyone but themselves. I think they were lucky the cameras were there, because if they weren't they would not have walked away after treating a police officer the way they did.

these guys give all p platers the bad rep we have

[Warpspeed]

The answer is very simple.

Mandatory jail time if you exceed your points, but the idiots behind bars...........

[danh]

there is no doubt about it that they will do something to ban, reduce or stop young drivers in hi-po cars. personally i dont think this is such a bad idea.

but its not always about regulations and band-aid fixes, something needs to be done to

1. change driver attitudes, as said before an idiot in a hi-po car is an idiot in a toyota echo.

this needs to start from a young age. but realistically there will always be ppl who want to go fast, show off and be dangerous onthe road.

2.driver training! there is absolutely no form of defensive or advanced driver training mandatory to pass driving tests. a day on the skid pan could equate to a much longer life in the end.

3.revise the licence testing scheme. did you know, in NSW at least, if you do your P1 test in an auto and pass the stupid P2 hazard perception video test which is unbelievably easy to cheat, you are automatically able to drive a manual transmission, without ever having to touch one or pass any test to do with actually driving a manual..!

also the licence testing is available in a myriad of different languages. THIS IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS!!!

when was the last time you saw an AUSTRALIAN street sign in any other language but ENGLISH.

i'm sorry, but this is a joke. i'm sure this is the reason for half the accidents and lost and bewildered motorists out there, because they actually dont understand what they are supposed to be doing!

i am not a racist, 90% of my friends are not from australian backgrounds and at least 50% speak english as a second language.

with regards to a 24/7 skidpan, i dont know about 24/7, but a closer, cheaper and open more often skidpan/track/dragstrip/rallycourse/gocarts would be an awesome idea, good luck finding the space or someone with the $$$ to do it.

oh yeah the government can pay for it with the money raised from defecting!

state treasurer here i come, wish me luck..

dan

[blind_elk]

Fortunately, I'm WAAAYYY past ever being affected by anything here. However, I believe my experience gives me the ability to make reasoned judgements as to what will help overcome the problem.

I mean its all good to say ban turbos/superchargers. But if you pump 10 grand into a N/A 4 cylinder motor you can get results too. I mean a GTS-T has great power but it also has great brakes.

If you buy a stock gemini with rust all through it. Then spend 10 grand on a motor and dont upgrade the brakes. Would this not be more deadly.

They introduced a capacity limit for motorcyclists. There are still some pretty lethal 250cc bikes out there. But I think if you are restricted to a lower powered vehicle, while you can still drive like an idiot, it generallly takes longer to achieve idiot speed. From that viewpoint, I think it has merit.

What about a curfue??? Whould this actually do anything....

Results by Omission. If you don't have P-platers out at night, they can't be involved in crashes, so the policy works and becomes justifiable. But then, you transfer the poor results to the post-P-plater brigade, because they haven't a clue how to drive after dark!

What about better driver education... Would this do anything???

I reckon if it's good enough to insist that police go through advanced driver training, then it's good enough for Joe Public. How can it possibly hurt if every driver on the road has the appropriate skillset to control a vehicle. After all, there is no way Qantas would let you near one of their A340 Airbusses if you only had a licence to fly a Cessna.

Also, I think it should be mandatory that you need to successfully complete an advanced driver training course before you get off your Ps onto a full licence. (I would expect that the volume demand for participation in the courses would bring the price down considerably)

A guy I worked with taught his sons to drive. Shouted each of them a course at DECA, which they passed. Decide on some professional tuition just prior to them taking their test, told the instructor about the DECA stuff, to which the instructor allegedly commented:

"Don't care about DECA, we just teach them how to get a licence"

WTF! Is it any wonder the roads are full of incompetent drivers when instructors have that attitude?

[danh]

yup totally agree about that ^^^ especially the driving instructors.

[hungry6]

Let face it, the country is rooted to the core, and there isn't a pollie in Canberra who has the balls to do anything about it.

We live in a society which is predominatly control by the older section of the community, who has for years bent/legislate the laws to suit them.

Also they have been spending good time oppressing the younger generations. This governing bodies of this country is commiting a humanitary offense agaisnt younger ppls. But at the same time will rise to defend those who are oppress on foreign land.LOL

Aust. is the most BIG BROTHER orientated country in the world bar none.

If you live in Aust. you must fit a steorotype that live in a suburban house, has 2.7 kids and drive a ford or a holden and does fishing for extra-curriculum activities.

anything outside those parametres are are viewed as extremist or antisocial, therefore, you are going to be legislated/fined/jailed.

So by saying any sort of mod to car is ok, is NO!!

OK now I got my rant of my chest after viewing my tax bill, lol.

PS. they should put speed humps on all interstate highway at 300m appart, and see how those grey nomad react. I fly between cities.

[Col-GTSX]

I am worried that advanced driver training will infact have the oppisite affect. Drivers may get a big head thinking i can control my car on a skid pan so i can control it better on the road and this may encorage them to do it more. Or even take it further.

I like to clown around at the go-karts and so forth. But the cost is huge. I mean its not as fun as doing a skid. But i have not (honestly) done a skid in 3 years or more. Due to the cost of 265 wide tyres... It stops me instantly. I think ouch there goes 20 bucks.

I think an area where you can do young people things ie. Drifting/burnouts on a pad or little course for next to nicks $$$ thats close to everyone.

I mean we dont need a drag strip in the cty. A good burnout solves most driving fun....

I just thinking out loud.... Keep it coming guys... These are good thoughts...

Id also like to add. I like playing golf on sundays as i find it very relaxing.

[danh]

thats a very good point about the driver training expanding the ego rather than suppressing it, thats why you need to develop the attutude of the person aswell, anyone who has had a bit of quality driver training will know suburban roads are THE WORST place to bo doing anysort of sporty driving, even freeways are not up to scratch with whats needed to safely control a car in those conditions, so when u teach the people that public roads are to drive on and racing takes place on a track then your heading in the right direction..

i reckon a slide show of some real accidents with all the nitty gritty mess that actually happens when your stupid on the road should be about all thats needed to make people think twice about doing something they'll regret, well it worked for me when i did oh&s at tafe in my mechanics course...

[The_Paladin]

amoung other things....................i think if you loose your licence, you should actually loose it. not be suspended.

if you loose your licence you should go back to stage one. L's. and go again from there.

bigger insurance breaks for good drivers are in order too.

[danh]

i remember reading somewhere about staged licences, where you have to do certain courses and pass etc to be able to drive certain vehicles ie if you want to drive/own an ferrari you need to do a certain level of testing and training...

for eg:

stage 1 is low powered 4cyl cars - stage 5 hi-po supercars

...although im sure it was based on power-weight ratios...

[blind_elk]

I am worried that advanced driver training will infact have the oppisite affect. Drivers may get a big head thinking i can control my car on a skid pan so i can control it better on the road and this may encorage them to do it more. Or even take it further.

Sorry, but that is just the biggest load of cocky-crap out. That is the justification the politicians - you know, those people you are all complaining about with there fines and all - use to not implement decent driver education standards.

Do you think that I now go out and look for places to lose the rear end, as I can on a skidpan? Nothing could be further from my mind. And if you go looking emulate your skidpan session on public roads, then you haven't really learned a single thing from the training. The police don't go around hanging donuts and losing the rear end after their training. Don't you think you are as sensible as a police driver?

When I got my R32, I had never driven a car with ABS. Knowing it is not possible - or responsible - to fang down a street and jump on the brakes to feel ABS, I took the opportunity of an upcomng track day to try it out.

Being a safe driver isn't rocket science. All it takes is a degree of responsibility and proper attitude. That's how I have lasted more than 20 years without being involved in a collision. Despite regular sessions involving speeds above the posted speed limit.