Serious Tuning Project: R33 Or R34?

[RUSKY]

Hi, everyone!

I am new to skylines world. But it's a nice community other here for sure, well done people.

I have recently sold my modified Lancer and now I am HUNTING for a Skyline Just like in NFS underground, damn However, I am considering a serious ongoing tuning project in a nearest future coz I am

desperate to modify something in that new car.

Mate, if u really pro and know plz tell me what should I buy. I think this question may interest some other forum users.

My budget is 32k. And i want to import or buy Skyline privately. So I am choosing between 1997-1998 R33 GTS-T M SPEC SERIES2 and 1998-2000 R34 25GT-T. R33 will be cheaper and I know it is a bit lighter in weight, 184kw stock with ABS (do u use it?) 4 pot f't calliper, 1 pot rear, smaller body dimensions, older interior.

I would prefer R34 becuase the car is fresher, physically newer and faster (206Kw). But then again, is this NEO engine is just a bigger turbo??

Finally, my question -- what would u buy R33 Series2 or R34 GT-T?

I would really apriciate your help, guys.

Thanx.

R32 GTR is a legend, although, ive got some reasons not to buy it, so plz dont suggest me this car or Sylvia.

P.S. In plans: new turbo, engine rebuild, aftermarket suspension, clutch, interior, body etc . I want to buy a pretty stock car in good condition. R34 GT-T or R33 GTS-T Series2 with 32k budget? buying in November, cash, located in Sydney.

Edited September 11, 2005 by RUSKY

[rukus]

Hi, everyone!

I am new to skylines world. But it's a nice community other here for sure, well done people.

I have recently sold my modified Lancer and now I am HUNTING for a Skyline    Just like in NFS underground, damn   However, I am considering a serious ongoing tuning project in a nearest future coz I am   

desperate to modify something in that  new car.

Mate, if u really pro and know plz tell me what should I buy. I think this question may interest some other forum users.

My budget is 32k. And i want to import or buy Skyline privately. So I am choosing between 1997-1998 R33 GTS-T M SPEC SERIES2 and 1998-2000 R34 25GT-T. R33 will be cheaper and I know it is a bit lighter in weight, 184kw stock with ABS (do u use it?) 4 pot f't calliper, 1 pot rear, smaller body dimensions, older interior.

I would prefer R34 becuase the car is fresher, physically newer and faster (206Kw). But then again, is this NEO engine is just a bigger turbo??

Finally, my question -- what would u buy R33 Series2 or R34 GT-T?

I would really apriciate your help, guys.

Thanx.

R32 GTR is a legend, although, ive got some reasons not to buy it, so plz dont suggest me this car or Sylvia. 

P.S. In plans: new turbo, engine rebuild, aftermarket suspension, clutch, interior, body etc . I want to buy a pretty stock car in good condition. R34 GT-T or R33 GTS-T Series2 with 32k budget? buying in November, cash,  located in Sydney.

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LOL u're gonna do a NFS underground rice job on a poor ol' skyline?

get a supra for that u could get a twin turbo for that price which is quicker than a gtst stock. it looks better with rice mods too

[RUSKY]

rukus

Supra is heavy and its cramped inside at least for my body need some more space. i dont want twin-turbo, mate if u ment it, but supras look hot. (u like NFS UNDRG? i am sick of playing it on my XBOX, need a new game). dont like rice mods.

Where can i read about substancial differences between Skyline models? in-depht specs? any idea

[predator]

The September school holidays are a great time to get the kids active, do something new and have some fun together before the rush to finish the last term of school for 2005.

[WHITER33GTS-T]

Hi, everyone!

I am new to skylines world. But it's a nice community other here for sure, well done people.

I have recently sold my modified Lancer and now I am HUNTING for a Skyline    Just like in NFS underground, damn   However, I am considering a serious ongoing tuning project in a nearest future coz I am   

desperate to modify something in that  new car.

Mate, if u really pro and know plz tell me what should I buy. I think this question may interest some other forum users.

My budget is 32k. And i want to import or buy Skyline privately. So I am choosing between 1997-1998 R33 GTS-T M SPEC SERIES2 and 1998-2000 R34 25GT-T. R33 will be cheaper and I know it is a bit lighter in weight, 184kw stock with ABS (do u use it?) 4 pot f't calliper, 1 pot rear, smaller body dimensions, older interior.

I would prefer R34 becuase the car is fresher, physically newer and faster (206Kw). But then again, is this NEO engine is just a bigger turbo??

Finally, my question -- what would u buy R33 Series2 or R34 GT-T?

I would really apriciate your help, guys.

Thanx.

R32 GTR is a legend, although, ive got some reasons not to buy it, so plz dont suggest me this car or Sylvia. 

P.S. In plans: new turbo, engine rebuild, aftermarket suspension, clutch, interior, body etc . I want to buy a pretty stock car in good condition. R34 GT-T or R33 GTS-T Series2 with 32k budget? buying in November, cash,  located in Sydney.

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Or you could buy my car so i can buy a r34.

Edited September 11, 2005 by WHITER33GTS-T

[RUSKY]

WHITER33GTS-T

can you give more details about your car? a link or something.

So i see, R33 GTS-T SERIES2 model, especially that model, doesn't have any reasonable advantages over R34 GT-T, right? I mean, both models are GOOD. Skylines are all good, u know.

But i need to choose between theese cars to build a streeter and the realiable car for occasional racecourse activity.

But if R34 GT-T doesn't bring major performance mods and updates over R33, then it could be better for me to get R33 GTS-T and spend the rest of bucks for certain things. Do u know if any R34s can still come with manufacturer warranty? Older models probably wont have warranty since its gone in Japan long time ago. Whats the warranty for skylines anyway?

Edited September 11, 2005 by RUSKY

[RUSKY]

finally got it! <_<

Mr Sniper911, thecarscene forums:

Once again the article.....

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2142/article.html

R32 and R33 Nissan Skylines are currently dime-a-dozen in the Australian performance scene. But oddly enough, the improved R34 Skyline is a very rare sight. Maybe it’s because they’re dearer. Maybe it has to do with import regulations. Whatever the cause, we’re missing out in a very big way!

This late ’99 R34 25GTt was imported to Australia a couple of years back and has been transformed into a real show-stopper using local tuning know-how. Domenic from Sydney’s Autostyle Performance Cars tells us he initially sold this car in 100 percent stock-standard guise and the buyer just kept coming back for more and more mods.

We should point out that – even in standard form – the R34 25GTt is way better than its predecessors. For a start, the RB25DET NEO-spec engine comes rated at 206kW and 343Nm – well up on the R32 and R33. The R34 also scores a much improved interior, better NVH and more aero downforce. At 1430kg, the R34 5-speed turbo is a little on the heavy side but its extra grunt more than makes up for it. It is unquestionably the fastest of all single-turbo Skylines.

But fast is rarely fast enough!

This NEO RB25DET was initially tackled with a 3½-inch HKS exhaust system with high-flow dump-pipe and an A’PEXi pod filter that’s fed cool air by a forward-facing duct. These mods provided a massive performance improvement, in addition to releasing the sexy RB25 exhaust note. Rev a big zorst’d RB25 and you can’t help get excited over the sophisticated growl. Well, we can’t help it anyway...

More boost pressure was the next requirement. However, since the R34 25GTt already comes with a 9.0:1 static compression ratio and up to 0.7 Bar of boost, there isn’t a lot of scope for much of an increase. Not without improving the factory intercooler as a precaution. This car now runs a big-as-would-fit Hybrid front-mount air-to-air core with custom-fabricated plumbing. A GReddy atmospheric venting blow-off valve also replaces the stock valve.

As you may be aware, the standard Nissan turbocharger is equipped with a low-inertia ceramic turbine wheel. This is great for enhancing turbo response, but the ceramic wheel is not particularly durable when pushed. Just to be safe, the factory turbocharger was rebuilt to high-flow specs and employs a conventional steel turbine wheel.

So how much boost are we talking here? Well, not that much – 1.1 Bar is pales in comparison to the 2.0+ Bar boost pressure that some people run. This boost increase has been achieved by a Blitz electronic controller.

Instead of relying on a big whack of boost, this car takes the approach of mild boost in conjunction with – wait for it – nitrous! When you think about the cooling effect of nitrous and its ability to improve performance at any rpm, it’s a very attractive idea. Peer under the bonnet and you’ll see the NOS solenoids and a single fogger mounted just prior to the throttle. The nitrous shot can be changed from 70 to 100hp by simply changing the fogger jet. The N20 bottle lives in the boot.

Given these mods, the stock R34 engine management computer has been unplugged and an A’PEXi Power FC has moved in on its turf. This controls the standard ignition system and the stock injectors, which are teamed with a high-flow pump.

Along the build-up path, the DOHC, 24-valve head has been lifted off and come under attack from a die grinder. We wouldn’t expect to see any major flow improvements, but every little bit helps the cause. A HKS head gasket was also slapped onto the block during reassembly.

Demonstrating the effectiveness of these mods is a Dyno Dynamics at-the-wheels output of 242kW. Oh, and that was recorded before the nitrous system was installed! Over 300kW ATW should now be child’s play...

Not surprisingly, the standard clutch gave up long ago and was replaced by an upgraded single-plate clutch/pressure plate combo that’s performing very nicely. Straight-line traction has never been a major strong point of turbo Skylines (they tend to burn the inside edge of the rear tyres when launched). Give a Skyline significantly more power and the words ‘unguided weapon’ spring to mind. Thankfully, the R34 comes with an electronic traction control system that closes a secondary throttle valve when things are getting hairy.

Point it into a corner and this R34 exhibits less roll and greater poise than a stocker. This is thanks to a set of HKS adjustable coil-overs. The front suspension tower brace seen in our engine pics comes as standard. The ABS-controlled disc brakes are enhanced with a simple Endless pad upgrade.

The improved cornering abilities have since led to the inclusion of aftermarket race-style front seats to hold occupants firmly in place. The 25GTt already comes crammed with a big tacho, battery voltage, oil temp, oil pressure and a dinky boost gauge so the only additional gaugeware (?) is a ‘proper’ electronic boost gauge. An aluminium shift knob, shift light and high-end audio head unit are the only other changes to the R34 cabin.

Nissan really went to town with the aerodynamics of the R34, paying particular attention to under-car airflow and fitting a purposeful rear wing (not a plain ol’ spoiler). There’s no need to replace that wing, but the carbon fibre bonnet seen here is a nice contemporary touch. You’ve probably also noticed the odd sticker or two... No, the car isn’t a GReddy promo car, but it’s safe to say the previous owner sure loved their products! Notice how the reflective silver graphics highlight those big polished 18s.

So now that we’ve shown what can be done with the R34 we can’t imagine why more enthusiasts won’t go the extra mile and step up from an R32/R33. The cutting-edge looks, the numerous engineering upgrades and the continuation of RB-series engine strength and tuning potential are all there for the taking.

Of course, if you can’t be bothered doing any of the work yourself you can always buy this particular car for AUD$48,900. Give Domenic a call and tell him you saw the car on AutoSpeed – you never know what might happen..

[WHITER33GTS-T]

Car: Nissan Skyline R33 GTS-T

Engine: RB25DET

Engine mods: TD06-20G turbo on high mount manifold

Tomei cams and cam gears

Forged pistons

Blitz external wastegate and screamer pipe

Blitz fmic

Haltech E11V2

Splitfire coils

Exhaust: 3 inch from turbo

Gearbox: Standard

Clutch: Custom single plate 3700lb

Diff: Gtr mechanical lsd

Suspension: Tein

Wheels: 18 inch 245 tyres

Stereo: Alpine IVA-D300E 7" touch screen dvd

Pioneer TS-A1680S 220w front

Pioneer 6x9 rear

Was:

Power: 269.6rwkw @14.2psi

Performance: 12.426 @ 117.04mph

Now:

Power: 300.2rwkw @ 17.2psi

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Was done on old tune berofe Haltech.

With Haltech.

Cant think of anything else at the moment.

Edited September 12, 2005 by WHITER33GTS-T

[WHITER33GTS-T]

Car also has this on back window.

[rukus]

The September school holidays are a great time to get the kids active, do something new and have some fun together before the rush to finish the last term of school for 2005.

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LOL

just incase u didnt know, a skyline isnt as easy to drive in real life as it is in NFS Underground

HHAHAAH

[rukus]

nice car WHITER33GTST

[RUSKY]

WHITER33GTS-T

its a very nice car, man. keep it!

rukus

i hope sooner or later i will drive one and learn how to drive. was it difficult for you to drive a skyline? some my freinds advise me to get S15 not the skyline. who knows man.. i remember once it was pretty difficult to drive RWD in Russia at winter time. and in some remote cities (there are many) the roads are not marked with marking lines. everyone is just tries to find its own spot on a road by making decisions if the road is oneway of fckn single lane yeah, terrible experience driving RWD on snow. i love australian roads, not the speed limits thou