My Local Touge And Grip Track

[monkeykplunk]

Basically their point of veiw is that unless you have a dedicated race car and are racing it regularly that you dont deserve a part of motorsport in Australia.

What a retarded and primitive view!

Thank god the majority of people in the world can give some thought and research to their opinions before expressing them.

As for this thread becoming a "drift isn't motorsport" thread, I was quite enjoying yours and GTRgeoff's views.

I love reading well thought out replies.

And such grammar!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

merlin, i have to say it as it's been bugging me for a while but in your avatar pic it looks like you are approaching a right hand bend and are suffering some chronic understeer and have just locked the rears. not saying that's what's happening, but that's how it looks in the pic.

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hmm, I cant remember 100%. but here's what I think is happening

This is the second corner at calder park after the back straight, which is more of an S-curve. (basically a left corner then a right corner)

So im exiting the left corner on opposite lock, entering the right corner. (What happens next, is back of car swings around to left, whilst i reverse steering direction to cover the right hand corner)

hard to explain - im probably getting left and right mixed up...,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/merli...ypig/drift1.jpg

here is a link to the full pic. I think the avatar makes it look like just one big right hand corner, and im steering in same direction of corner (which yes, that would be some major trying to overcome undertsteer shit right there)

maybe i should change my avatar.... makes me look like a noob

Edited September 13, 2005 by MerlinTheHapyPig

[Roy]

I personally reckon its great every single time a new club member comes to a track day and gives it a go....and I don't know many people who have gone to a track day and don't want to go to another one

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Dido, and whilst its fun and pretty cheap if you keep the brain attached to your right foot...noone is saying that you have to, or those that do or dont are better , worse dribble , dribble , dribble....i cant think of a better way to enjoy my car, but thats not to say its the only way.... i dont think anyone is saying they are better then anyone else by hoping more ppl get into the forms of club motorsport currently available to everyone...is that being an elitist?

Sorry, you can call me a farktard, drunk, loser with a small pecker and i could probaly see why someone could think that, but an elitist?

[Beer Baron]

hmm, I cant remember 100%.  but here's what I think is happening

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yeah, i guessed it may not be the full story! does look like some chronic understeer though. maybe just crop out the part of the right hand curbing you can see? it's often hard to capture what's happening in a drift with a static photo without the right background to give it context.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

yeah, i guessed it may not be the full story! does look like some chronic understeer though. maybe just crop out the part of the right hand curbing you can see? it's often hard to capture what's happening in a drift with a static photo without the right background to give it context.

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avatar changed.....

[GTRgeoff]

CAMS (cretins against motorsport) are so far up AVESCO's butt that they can give them dental inspections. They constantly screw the small club events and participants without thought for the costs. Late 80's they killed group G rally so unless we a wanted to convert back to almost stock the cars were useless. It would be nice to all have full time cars and million dollar budgets but it just gets too much. Maybe one day but I have other priorities now.

As for visiting our track days and elitism, I can guarantee we won't charge entry fee or for parking, unlike certain drift events I've attended, and we will be happy to show you around. Passenger sessions are stricly 80% only so don't expect the full effort. I'm still not a guaranteed starter but will be there regardless and may be available for the driver training aspect if it's offered.

[NickR33]

Dido, and whilst its fun and pretty cheap if you keep the brain attached to your right foot...noone is saying that you have to, or those that do or dont are better , worse dribble ,  dribble ,  dribble....i cant think of a better way to enjoy my car, but thats not to  say its the only way.... i dont think anyone is saying they are better then anyone else by hoping more ppl get into the forms of club motorsport currently available to everyone...is that being an elitist?

Sorry, you can call me a farktard, drunk, loser with a small pecker and i could probaly see why someone could think that, but an elitist?

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nobody is calling you an elitist Roy!

seriously though there are some good points in this thread and I have enjoyed reading some of the well thought out replies as Monkeyplunk has already mentioned...

I hope to see some of the Vic guys at the track in the near future... and am sure to be following Roy and Geoff around hoping for pearls of wisdom... and calling it 'grip' driving just to piss them off he he!

oh and Geoff maybe you could lend me a 33 for the day so I didn't have to run my daily... c'mon mate you have 3 of them!

[fatz]

grumpy old men

lol

i enjoy both, flat out is fun but honestly unless you are in a race a fast lap is borring unless you beat a mate

drift is just enjoyable all the lap (on the edge of death gets like that)

anyway come out to oran park on the 24th and come for a ride everyone who hates drift ill take you out personally if i have time

pete

and roy

BLOOD NUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GTRgeoff]

Seriously mate, edge of death??? And the whole lap thing?? What about the usual 4-5 corners then a half lap of self congratulation I regularly see. It's just a bit of good fun.

I'll admit I gave up driving and navigating rally because I got scared. Eventually the near misses and accidents built to the point I was wondering why I did it. I decided I had invested too much into my future so had to start being responsible in motorsport. Most people wet themselves first time in a navigators seat in a rally car and that is the tough part.

[xprshnz]

how about we keep it simple ? If you can't drift, don't even try to. You'll end up in intensive care with no car or be totally humiliated 'cause you label your accidental powerslide with crappy treads as drifting.

[someonestolecc]

Sorry, you can call me a farktard, drunk, loser with a small pecker and i could probaly see why someone could think that, but an elitist?

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I've read enough of your posts to know you ain't any of those (and I'm not willing to test one of them).

I was responding to Geoff's post -

There's nothing "Special" about drift, except those who lack the intelligence to understand it's not a real form of motorsport. Now they are "Special".

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Now - I've also read enough of his posts to know he isn't any of those either.. But I just detected a kind of elitist view there.. but to be honost I'm not a drifter so I don't really care - and it certainly wasn't meant as an accusation.

I was just saying for me personally it's always going to be fun to go run my car around a track, whether it's trying to beat my last laptime or drifting. So long as you're havin fun I reckon.

[GTRgeoff]

how about we keep it simple ? If you can't drift, don't even try to. You'll end up in intensive care with no car or be totally humiliated 'cause you label your accidental powerslide with crappy treads as drifting.

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Big quote from a newbie. I won't call it drifting, it's car control. If you are referring to the BS that people try on the roads, and think it's cool the ricer forums are that way -------->>>>>

Larry Perkins a few years back on the outside at Oran Park had the rear stepped out in the marbles for the whole corner to hold his race position. NOT drifting .....car control.

I hit standing water at Sandown at 160kmh and the barge snapped sideways in 4th. Follow the slide, gas it and recover. The guy behind me said the rooster tails of water off the rears were huge. Car control.

Face it guys, getting sideways is what most of us call the slow line or a momentary lapse before recovering. Heaps of fun but not our objective. Fact of life on the racetrack that you will get crossed up. Making that an artform is a skill and a lot of fun so more power to ya.

I'm just ragging the newbie sport while it's still establishing, playing on y'alls insecurities, and thanks for biting. We seem to get around to it every 6 months or so.

Drifting is getting popular, and when 10 starts televising and it supports the V8 circus then it's made. It just needs to start pushing the hard line of "Not on the streets"

[Ronin 09]

i want to see real skill. drift my 1.5L civic FWD. get that bastard sideways. hah.

[GTRgeoff]

It's a snip Marcus. I have the Laser Lynx with a massive 30mm solid rear swaybar. Oversteer is just a throttle lift and steering wheel turn away

Must demonstrate sometime. Of course you can't hold it forever........

[88silhouette]

roy we should discuss this thread over some beers

when are you in sydney next

[Ronin 09]

It's a snip Marcus. I have the Laser Lynx with a massive 30mm solid rear swaybar. Oversteer is just a throttle lift and steering wheel turn away

Must demonstrate sometime. Of course you can't hold it forever........

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nice we used to do that with my mate's Lynx...

btw it's an auto too

[Abo Bob]

Is this thread still going?

Good quote to pick cc. Busted Geoff.

I've also heard about spectators beings charged to see non-professional drifting. Bad form.

I can also understand fatz' boredom with circuit. He's been there done that. Similar to Doughboy being bored with drag racing because he has got everything he can get out of his car.

The other side to that is the people who do still enjoy circuit racing after they have stopped improving their lap times (don't know who they are) and people like 2rismo who keep racing and improving in tiny increments with lots of little tweaks.

I think comparing drifting and surfing is the best idea. If one is a sport then the other one is.

Now what happens if I have been standing in a room with Troy and Geoff for 5 years.

"Hi Troy, Hi Geoff"

"Hi Adam"

"Hi Adam"

Now who should walk in the room but adzmax.

Now if Geoff says, "Do you want a beer Adam?" how are any of us to know who he is talking to?

Perhaps we could add some handy prefixes to our names like Driftadam and Gripadam.

[Duncan]

wtf? why not just pick our own unique names?

[funkymonkey]

Its OK, there's only one Drunkan...

I know I'm late for the party, but I hate how all the guys getting into drift HAVE to use japanese terminology, even if it is totally un-necessary, just to show that they have their fingers on the pulse. eg:

Touge - mountain run

Drifto/Dorifuto - drift (duh)

Zenki - early model/series 1/pre facelift etc

Kouki - late model/series 2/post facelift etc

Hachiroku (even worse when its said like you're sneezing in slow motion) - its a f**kin AE86... 86 if you don't want to say so many syllables.

Its even more amusing when its said by people who pronounce em like they are written in english.

American ex-honda drivers that have just started to embrace RWD cars are even more fun to listen to, coz its all touge this and grip that, gymkhana here and "JaayDeehYum" there.

The guys that actually do the drifting here are a great bunch of lads and when I'm at the track with those guys, the atmosphere is exactly the same as what I experience at an SAU track day: laid back guys and girls, all mates, having fun in their cars. Its just the fanboys that go out of their way to sound "JDM tyte".

[Roy]

Track days dry up after October...time to dee if i can crease the car again...

Wasnt it an Australian journalist that first called the GTR vGodzilla, its any wonder the name caught on

..which gets me thinking if the GTR is Godzilla, whats a GTST...