R32 Gtr Bilstein & Whiteline Suspension

[Sydneykid]

After much engineering I have finally finished the Bilstein and Whiteline suspension kit for the R32GTR and R32GTS4. You will notice the costs of the Bilsteins are slightly higher than the GTST's. This is due to the higher initial cost and the much larger amount of revalving needed to be caried out to get the right results and match the selected Whiteline kits.

The supply of R32GTR Bilsteins is quite limited, so don't hesitate too long with taking up the Group Buy as they will all be gone. The next shipment is not due for at least 5 months.

Front Camber kit

Rear Camber kit

Please PM me with your order here and post up any questions you may have on here. As it may answer other peoples questions at the same time. Fitting and alignment can be done at the following locations

Heasmans Sydenham NSW

East Coat Suspension Kirrawee NSW

St George Steering Punchbowl NSW

Centeline Thomastown Vic

Traction Tyre & Suspension Rowville Vic

Discount Tyres Service Belconnen Act

Motsons Qld

More fitting stations will be posted as they come to hand.

cheers

PS; Shocks and springs are currently in stock, bushes and stabiliser bars are made to order. So delivery is ~10 days from time of order, all items are shipped via Toll Priority using their Off Peak service. Consignment note numbers will be provided at the time of shipping, so your order can be tracked via Toll.

Payment should be made in full to the bank account details in the initial post, the receipt number for internet banking is acceptable or a copy of the deposit slip for over the counter banking. Send them to me via PM.

Edited July 23, 2007 by Sydneykid

[my_gtr32]

Just what I was waiting for. Great work Sydneykid

Please confirm part numbers for caster kit and front springs. Whiteline website states KCA332 as caster kit part number not KCA331. Front springs are listed as 83157

Thanks

[saliya]

Me Too

I'd like to offer public thanks for the time you've taken and the knowledge you've shared. I've spent

literally hours on the phone and travelling around, trying to find the 'right' suspension for my GTR,

and I get the feeling that most people are more interested in selling me what will make them the most

money, rather than what will hopefully help me go faster

I'm presuming that this setup should be OK for trackday use (my car is a road car too)?

I'm trying to keep a set of RE55S on it (currently it's destroying the outsides of the fronts).

I have a 93 v-spec; it already has strut braces front/rear. There doesn't appear to be anything

wrong with them; is there any significant advantage in replacing them with the 'kit' ones ?

Regards,

Saliya

[Sydneykid]

Just what I was waiting for. Great work Sydneykid

Please confirm part numbers for caster kit and front springs. Whiteline website states KCA332 as caster kit part number not KCA331. Front springs are listed as 83157

Thanks

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Here I am trying to stop the Group Buy copy cats, and you have let the cat out of the bag.

cheers

[Sydneykid]

Me Too

I'd like to offer public thanks for the time you've taken and the knowledge you've shared. I've spent

literally hours on the phone and travelling around, trying to find the 'right' suspension for my GTR,

and I get the feeling that most people are more interested in selling me what will make them the most

money, rather than what will hopefully help me go faster

I'm presuming that this setup should be OK for trackday use (my car is a road car too)?

I'm trying to keep a set of RE55S on it (currently it's destroying the outsides of the fronts).

I have a 93 v-spec; it already has strut braces front/rear. There doesn't appear to be anything

wrong with them; is there any significant advantage in replacing them with the 'kit' ones ?

Regards,

Saliya

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Thanks for the thanks, I spent a few months getting this together from an enginering and price view point. So it is nice to know it is appreciated. I read and replied to your PM before I read this post. Nothing wrong with the strut braces you have, they are in the kit for those unlucky people not to already have them.

You will need to change the camber and the stabiliser bar settings for the track. It's not that hard, takes about 5 minutes extra per corner when you have the car jacked up to change to the RE55's. Please PM me if you have any more questions

cheers

Edited September 13, 2005 by Sydneykid

[my_gtr32]

Here I am trying to stop the Group Buy copy cats, and you have let the cat out of the bag.

cheers 

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Sorry mate, but I have been investigating the whiteline products lately and saw the error with the part numbers. Thought others may pick it up also, so figured I should confirm.

[Sydneykid]

For those that need them, the Dust Cover and Bump Stop kit is now inlcuded in the Group Buy and is on the price list. The cost is $51 per pair (exc freight), so you will need 2 pair for a car set (one pair for the front shocks and one pair for the rear shocks).

cheers

Edited September 14, 2005 by Sydneykid

[Sydneykid]

For the guys that are ordering the Bump Stop and Dust cover kit. You will have to trim the bump stops to suite the correct height that you are going to have your car set at. The dust cover clips ove the end of the bump stop stop so you have to trim the other end with a knife, be careful it is easy to slip and cut yourself.

This is a picture of what the bump stop and dust cover assembled would look like at higher than standard height;

This is how much much to trim off the bump stop, shown next to a standard Skyline bump stop. The orange line is for standard height, the red line is for ~350 mm centre of wheel to guard and the yellow line is for ~330 mm centre of wheel to guard.

Note that standard height is 2 circlip grooves up from the standard circlip groove, ~350 mm is the standard circlip groove and 330 mm is 2/3 circlip grooves down from the standard groove. You can pick the standard groove as it has a yellow stripe accros it. Plus the circlip should be in that groove when you get the shocks.

If you are using the standard bump stops they also have to be trimmed if you are going lower than standard height. Not that you have to trim the thick part of the standard bump stop, not just cut off the little lump on the bottom. You will need a hack saw as the rubber is very tough. The red line (no trimming) is for standard height, the yellow line is for ~350 mm centre of wheel to guard and the orange line is for ~330 mm centre of wheel to guard.

Hope that was of some help, if you have any questions please post them up here as it may answer other peoples queries as well

cheers

Edited February 14, 2008 by Sydneykid

[RAZOR32]

I have just received the full Whiteline & Bilstein Suspension package and I am vary happy with it, and Sydeny Kid (Gary) has been Extremely helpful and great to deal with, so dont hesitate lash out and get the full kit, its well worth it

Thanks again, Raymond

[djr81]

Gary, can you tell us what the spring rates are for the kit? Reason I ask is that I already have highter rated springs over stock (25%) & am wondering how much harder (again) the Whiteline offerings may be. Also, I guess they are linear rather than rising rate?

[meep]

hey sydneykid, just a quick one...

the pack that you have buit up, how does it compare to a set of coil-overs?

i was quoted on a set of Tein coil-overs installed new $2100, by the time i buy the springs and shocks off you (around 1400) then installed what like 200-300 is it worth the extra few hundred to get the coilovers?

this is just a question, not a go at the post or anything..

thanks mate

[Sydneykid]

Gary, can you tell us what the spring rates are for the kit?  Reason I ask is that I already have highter rated springs over stock (25%) & am wondering how much harder (again) the Whiteline offerings may be.  Also, I guess they are linear rather than rising rate?

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At 25% they are not much different from the Whiteline springs and would comfortably fit into the window of suitability for the shock valving.

The Whiteline front springs are linear rate, I would never ever use true progressive springs in the front. You get too much variation in response from steering inputs. The Whitleine rear springs are progressive, to keep them trapped at full droop.

cheers

Edited September 22, 2005 by Sydneykid

[Sydneykid]

hey sydneykid, just a quick one...

the pack that you have buit up, how does it compare to a set of coil-overs?

i was quoted on a set of Tein coil-overs installed new $2100, by the time i buy the springs and shocks off you (around 1400) then installed what like 200-300 is it worth the extra few hundred to get the coilovers?

this is just a question, not a go at the post or anything..

thanks mate

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Let's start off with..... standard Skylines have "coil overs" ie; the springs go around the shocks. So the Whiteline/Bilstein spring/shocks are "coil overs".

The Teins probably have screw thread adjustable lower spring seats so you can change the height, but they are still coil overs. They might even have adjustable bump valving on the shocks, but they are still "coil overs".

If you want to be able to adjust the height a lot and know what shock rebound damping you need, then the Teins may be of use to you. If you just want to put the springs/shocks in the car at the height you want and forget about playing with heights and damping, then spending the extra money is waste for you.

My thoughts on Teins (and most Jap springs and shocks) are pretty well known. They are excessively harsh (too high spring rates) and the shock valving is simplistic at best. This results in uncomfortable ride and poor handling/traction on Australian roads.

What I have done with this kit is to use suitable spring rates, shock vlaving and stabiliser bar rates together with adjusted suspension geometry to give a superior ride/handling package.

Bottom line, there is no comparison, spend $2100 on the Group buy Kit and you will have a Skyline that rides more comfortably and handles far better than it would by spending $2100 on a set of Jap shocks and springs.

cheers

Edited September 22, 2005 by Sydneykid

[djr81]

At 25% they are not much different from the Whiteline springs and would comfortably fit into the window of suitability for the shock valving.

The Whiteline front springs are linear rate, I would never ever use true progressive springs in the front.  You get too much variation in response from steering inputs.  The Whitleine rear springs are progressive, to keep them trapped at full droop.

cheers

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Just for info, this is what the stockers look like out of their shockers. The rear are on the left, front on the right. Note the fronts have two rates & the rear a taper at the bottom. This helps the low amplitude bump absorption.

Bit lost as to the Whiteline offering. A coilover to me means the coil spring is wrapped tightly around the shock. The Skyline setup is, I suppose a coil over, as Gary described, but not I think a coilover in the conventionally accepted desciption.

I suppose the question is: are the Whiteline springs coilovers (Much like the Japanese offerings) or coilovers (much like the standard Skyline fare)?

Edited September 22, 2005 by djr81

[Sydneykid]

Just for info, this is what the stockers look like out of their shockers.  The rear are on the left, front on the right.  Note the fronts have two rates & the rear a taper at the bottom.  This helps the low amplitude bump absorption.

Bit lost as to the Whiteline offering.  A coilover to me means the coil spring is wrapped tightly around the shock.  The Skyline setup is, I suppose a coil over, as Gary described, but not I think a coilover in the conventionally accepted desciption.

I suppose the question is: are the Whiteline springs coilovers (Much like the Japanese offerings) or coilovers (much like the standard Skyline fare)?

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If you take a look at the rear springs in the car with the full weight on it, you will find that there is no progression in the rate. ie; the closely wounds coils are touching each other. They are only pregressive to keep them trapped at full droop.

The taper at the bottom of the rear spring is to fit the smaller bottom spring seat, which Nissan use to clear the inside of the tyre. It does nothing for the spring rate.

What's the difference between the "Japanese offering" and the standard Skyline? They are both coil overs, the coil spring coil goes around the outside of the shock. Height and/or shock rate adjustment is a feature of some coil overs. Whether they have height adjustment (via screw or cirlcip) or no height adjustment is irrelevant, it's still a coil over. Whether it has adjustable rebound damping or not, it's still a coil over, etc etc.

The race GTR's have both bump and rebound adjustment as well as external cannisters and screw height adjustment top and bottom. But it's still a coil over.

The term "coil over conversion" is most commonly used when a separate spring and shock (like the rear of a Commodore) is replaced by a combined spring and shock unit (a coil over). It doesn mean taking out one coil over and replacing it with another coil over.

cheers

[meep]

Let's start off with..... standard Skylines have "coil overs" ie; the springs go around the shocks.  So the Whiteline/Bilstein spring/shocks are "coil overs".

The Teins probably have screw thread adjustable lower spring seats so you can change the height, but they are still coil overs.  They might even have adjustable bump valving on the shocks, but they are still "coil overs".

If you want to be able to adjust the height a lot and know what shock rebound damping you need, then the Teins may be of use to you.  If you just want to put the springs/shocks in the car at the height you want and forget about playing with heights and damping, then spending the extra money is waste for you.

My thoughts on Teins (and most Jap springs and shocks) are pretty well known.  They are excessively harsh (too high spring rates) and the shock valving is simplistic at best.  This results in uncomfortable ride and poor handling/traction on Australian roads.

What I have done with this kit is to use suitable spring rates, shock vlaving and stabiliser bar rates together with adjusted suspension geometry to give a superior ride/handling package.

Bottom line, there is no comparison, spend $2100 on the Group buy Kit and you will have a Skyline that rides more comfortably and handles far better than it would by spending $2100 on a set of Jap shocks and springs.

cheers

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Thanx for that Sydneykid,

i just stumbled apon this http://www.otomoto.com.au/HDSystems/index.htm i would like to be able to play with the height and the damping, so for $1200 sounds good, but i am still interested in the sway bars you have for sale..

have you heard anything about this brand?

cheers mate!

Edited September 23, 2005 by meep

[Sydneykid]

Thanx for that Sydneykid,

i just stumbled apon this http://www.otomoto.com.au/HDSystems/index.htm i would like to be able to play with the height and the damping, so for $1200 sounds good, but i am still interested in the sway bars you have for sale..

have you heard anything about this brand?

cheers mate!

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Yep, well known low end product. The off the shelf springs rates are far too high, the shocks valving is very simplistic and the adjustment only changes rebound damping not bump valving. There are a few reviews on the forum, do a search for other peoples comments.

cheers

[gtrken]

If you take a look at the rear springs in the car with the full weight on it, you will find that there is no progression in the rate. ie; the closely wounds coils are touching each other.  They are only pregressive to keep them trapped at full droop.

The taper at the bottom of the rear spring is to fit the smaller bottom spring seat, which Nissan use to clear the inside of the tyre.  It does nothing for the spring rate.

What's the difference between the "Japanese offering" and the standard Skyline?  They are both coil overs, the coil spring coil goes around the outside of the shock.  Height and/or shock rate adjustment is a feature of some coil overs.  Whether they have height adjustment (via screw or cirlcip) or no height adjustment is irrelevant, it's still a coil over.  Whether it has adjustable rebound damping or not, it's still a coil over, etc etc.

The race GTR's have both bump and rebound adjustment as well as external cannisters and screw height adjustment top and bottom.  But it's still a coil over.

The term "coil over conversion" is most commonly used when a separate spring and shock (like the rear of a Commodore) is replaced by a combined spring and shock unit (a coil over).  It doesn mean taking out one coil over and replacing it with another coil over.

cheers

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Sydneykid ( aka Gary ).

The remote canister/adjustable setup you have wouldn't be Drummond Motorsport 50mm by chance ?

Reason I ask is have been looking at them for my GTR to be used for fast road/Tarmac Rally on RE55's ?

Just wondered if they aren't, what are your thoughts on DMS ?

Cheers

Ken

[Sydneykid]

Sydneykid ( aka Gary ).

The remote canister/adjustable setup you have wouldn't be Drummond Motorsport 50mm by chance ?

Reason I ask is have been looking at them for my GTR to be used for fast road/Tarmac Rally on RE55's ?

Just wondered if they aren't, what are your thoughts on DMS ?

Cheers

Ken

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Hi Ken, they are Proflex (Murray Coote). It really depends on your budget. We have used DMS (40 mm and 50 mm), for the price the 40mm are OK. The remote cannister DMS are almost the same price as Proflex. Personally I prefer the Proflex, as long as someone else is paying the bill. If someone really rich is paying the bill then we use Ohlins, the real Swedish ones, not the Japanese road car ones.

cheers

[my_gtr32]

Just received my set of Bilsteins today. Great value at this price! These units retail for almost $1400 without extra grooves or revalving. SK you've done well, thanks for your efforts.

Cmon guys, if you've been thinking about fixing the handling of your GTR, don't pass this opotunity, support the group buy and make your R corner like it's on rails.

I have just received the full Whiteline & Bilstein Suspension package and I am vary happy with it, and Sydeny Kid (Gary) has been Extremely helpful and great to deal with, so dont hesitate lash out and get the full kit, its well worth it

Thanks again, Raymond

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