Power To Weight Ratio Exemptions

[r34_skyline]

As you guys may know, im currently in a situation involving my car and P-plate restrictions coz i live in 2 different states. my true home allows me to drive any car i want, but in vic, they wont allow me.

i called up Vicroads on tuesday and asked if i could possibly apply for an exemption for a high powered car. to be exact, the car is a R33 GTR. i currently do not own the car. im sourcing it from jap as we speak. vicroads advised me to write a letter asking for an exemption fowarded to my nearest VICROADS.

k, i found this statement on the forum whilst searching for power-to-weight ratio exemptions.

"Exemptions:

A person is allowed to drive a high powered vehicle if:

b. If you hold an exemption issued by VicRoads, but VicRoads will only grant an exemption if:

• it is the only car owned by your "family"

• the car is used for business as well as social use and "no other' non high powered car is owned by your "family"."

what is the true definition of family(in VICROADS terminology) ? im single and i dont have a family, but the car will definately be registered in my name. since im "single" and it'll be the only car that i'll have access to, will the GTR33 pass off as the only car in "MY" family ?

for ppl that have been granted an exemption in the past, how easy was it to get ? also how did u go abouts writing the letter ? lastly, was there a certain period of time u must have "owned" the vehicle ? my GTR33 will be arriving in November '05.

please help me out as this will be the only car that i'll have access to and i dont want to sell it.

thnx

Edited September 14, 2005 by r34_skyline

[sav man]

why don't you just get a licence in your other home state, and register the car there?

[r34_skyline]

why don't you just get a licence in your other home state, and register the car there?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

it will be. its not as simple as that coz i need to drive the car bak up to Vic. The law states that i may drive the car "ASLONG" i comply with any conditions on my current licence(yep, no problems there) "AS WELL" as with "VICTORIAN PROBATIONARY LICENCE" requirements(major problem here, the car is way over the power to weight ratio).

k, ill be honest. i couldnt careless about the power to weight ratio, im doing all of this in favour of insurance. i dont want to pay $3000 in premiums and later find out that they will not insure me becoz of power to weight ratio.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

according to victorian road rules, the car you want to drive is illegal due to power/weight.

the "if it's the only car your family owns" rule is designed to allow an exception for someone whose family owns a car which is overpowered, and the person has no chioce but to drive it. It emplies that the owner of the car (ie the parents) can legally drive it.

regardless of if the car is registered in victoria or not, you are still committing a crime if you drive it in victoria

[saff_cossie]

How old are you and how long have you had your licence?

[funkymonkey]

If your car is insured in your state of origin, and your license is issued in the same state, you won't have any problems. As long as you explain to the insurer that you travel frequently between states and they are aware that the car is used in both states.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

from what i've been told by police officers. You have to obey the road rules of the state that you drive in.

It's just like going to the US and getting a ticket for driving on the left side of the road. saying "well it's legal where i come from" isn't gonna cut it!

[GKTECH]

Oh okay... so my "family" cannot own another car that fits within the power/weight ratios.

I thought you were on to something

Greg

[r34_skyline]

according to victorian road rules, the car you want to drive is illegal due to power/weight.

the "if it's the only car your family owns" rule is designed to allow an exception for someone whose family owns a car which is overpowered, and the person has no chioce but to drive it.  It emplies that the owner of the car (ie the parents) can legally drive it.

regardless of if the car is registered in victoria or not, you are still committing a crime if you drive it in victoria

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yep, thats true. the GTR will be my only car, i dont have another car. i've already sold my other car. so they should give me the exemption. what am i suppose to do ? sell it ? i dont think so. i've also asked VICROADS in the past about this, and all they gave me was gibberish crap that was wrong. only yesterday have i gotten somewhere with this, btw i called up 3 times to triple check. only 2 outta the 3 calls were accurate.

If your car is insured in your state of origin, and your license is issued in the same state, you won't have any problems. As long as you explain to the insurer that you travel frequently between states and they are aware that the car is used in both states.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

if i said that to them and they knew for a fact the car is over the power to weight ratio, wouldn't they reject my at fault claim ? also i'd rather my car insured in VIC coz its around $800 cheaper.

sorry funkymoney, i wasnt trying to be rude. but this issue has caused me nothing but headache for the past 2 days. lets be honest here, if i lived in VIC and knew about the power ratio thingy, then i wouldnt even consider purchasing the GTR33 in the first place. the fact that i live in 2 different states and 1 state permittes me to drive provoked me to purchase it. who knew it would come to this.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

write vicroads a letter, that way, the will send you a response in writing, so if you get owned by cops, you can take it to court or whatever.

[dezz]

is there like a way to be living at home but be independant, so that you can say the car is the only 1 in your family (which consists of just yourself)?

if thats 1 way to do it, i might just do that~!

[Ronin 09]

only 2 outta the 3 calls were accurate.

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accurate or what you wanted to hear?

[Ruffels]

sorry to hijack your thread mate.. but a quick question in relation to this...

i have an r33 gts-t .. if i get caught driving it in victoria i only get 0 points and $107 fine, how ever if a person in NSW on thier P's gets caught driving one.. its something like 7 points and $450 or somehing...

so judging on what ive been told... if i were to drive interstate, say if i were driving to queensland.. and i get pulled over in NSW.. i would to cop the 7 points and $450 or what ever it is..... if so.. that is ridiculous

-Ruffels

[foznice]

mmm good point.. but can the NSW government even deduct points from your Victorian license?

[Mulkers]

NSW can do that ^, if the same law applies in your own state, but if your liscence and own state rules permit you to drive what you currently are, then there shouldn't be a problem.

The problem with insurance is it has to be where the car is garaged, so switching between states and registrations could be a problem

[r34_skyline]

NSW can do that ^, if the same law applies in your own state, but if your liscence and own state rules permit you to drive what you currently are, then there shouldn't be a problem.

The problem with insurance is it has to be where the car is garaged, so switching between states and registrations could be a problem

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hrmmm, your first point seems abit wrong. coz, from what vicroads had told me i must obey both my licence conditions and VIC P-plater laws. now this is the funny part, im permitted to drive my GTR33 in my own state, but when i drive over to VIC i must obey their POWER to WEIGHT RATIO ??!! that doesnt make sense at all eh. its basically saying VIC laws overrides NSW laws. and i dunno what to obey, if i obey VIC's laws, then im not obeying NSW law's vise versa.

ok for the insurance part. this is how im going to talk to them. im basically gonna explain my situation and tell them i'd prefer to have my car registered in my home state and that its not feasible to register the car in VIC, why ? look at my situation. if i were to register my car in VIC, yep its all good for 4months, then when i drive bak to sydney i'll go over my 3months period, in which i need to change over my rego. im not gonna change my rego 2-3 times a yr just becoz i go over the "3months" period. im sure justcar will understand. if they dont, im going over to RACV or another insurer who can cater for my needs.

[rs73]

I think it's not that VIC laws overriding NSW laws, it's just that when you enter VIC, you are now under VIC State jurisdiction, therefore you have to obey Victorian road laws. So if you can't comply with VIC laws, either you leave/return to NSW, or cop the consequences of breaking the laws.

If VIC law overrides NSW laws, that means that Victorian laws applies in NSW, on top of NSW laws itself. That is called overriding.

[funkymonkey]

I was talking to a traffic officer in Syd (one that I used to go to school with) and he said that if I held a VIC license and the car was registered in VIC, then the maximum restrictions (not penalties) that apply to me are those that are imposed on my home state (ie VIC).

Which technically means if I'm allowed to drive a 600hp GTR in QLD on my P's legally, and the car is registered in QLD and my license is issued in QLD, and I happen to drive through VIC on a holiday or something, and get pulled over, they can't tell me that I exceed the power to weight ratio. As the license restrictions imposed on me are those of my state of issue, not VIC.

However if I was speeding in VIC at 150km/h and get caught, then the penalties for speeding at 150km/h in VIC apply to me regardless of what state I'm from.

Hope those examples help clarifying shit.

The grey area here is what happens if your license is issued in VIC, your car's registered in QLD? so just avoid that sort of complication and it should be pretty easy to work out.

[r34_skyline]

I was talking to a traffic officer in Syd (one that I used to go to school with) and he said that if I held a VIC license and the car was registered in VIC, then the maximum restrictions (not penalties) that apply to me are those that are imposed on my home state (ie VIC).

Which technically means if I'm allowed to drive a 600hp GTR in QLD on my P's legally, and the car is registered in QLD and my license is issued in QLD, and I happen to drive through VIC on a holiday or something, and get pulled over, they can't tell me that I exceed the power to weight ratio. As the license restrictions imposed on me are those of my state of issue, not VIC.

However if I was speeding in VIC at 150km/h and get caught, then the penalties for speeding at 150km/h in VIC apply to me regardless of what state I'm from.

Hope those examples help clarifying shit.

The grey area here is what happens if your license is issued in VIC, your car's registered in QLD? so just avoid that sort of complication and it should be pretty easy to work out.

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alrity, thnx for that. i havent converted my licence yet and im not going to. soo, im gonna follow your rule and let insurance know my situation. if i do have any problems, i'll leave the car bak in my home state for the time being and drive it bak up when i get my full(which isnt long, 2months max).

hey funky, when u told your insurance about your situation, did they give ya VIC premiums or did they give ya your home town premiums ?

[funkymonkey]

dunno I didn't really check what the premium was for. I didn't see any point in arguing over $1200 full cover.