Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/police...8191720268.html

Interesting....

NSW police involved in high-speed car pursuits have lied, ignored commands to stop and switched radio frequencies to dodge official supervision while taking part in chases, internal service documents reveal.

Some area commanders ignored NSW Police's own state pursuit management committee when it asked them to "please explain" the action of seemingly out-of-control officers, according to letters and memos obtained under freedom of information laws. The former deputy commissioner Dave Madden told area commanders a year ago he was "extremely concerned" about lack of supervision of pursuits.

This was just before a Herald investigation revealed that 54 people - including nine passers-by and two police officers - had died in the previous 10 years as a result of NSW police pursuits.

While Mr Madden refused to comment to the Herald, a memo and an email show he called for "every police officer to consider their driving behaviour" in the light of deaths, injury and property damage caused by pursuits.

AdvertisementAdvertisement

"Too often, pursuit and urgent-duty driving occurs without involvement of supervisors and/or duty officers," he wrote as he introduced a regular review of radio tapes to crack down on police not complying with policy.

The Herald has since established that the deaths of at least 62 people have been linked to NSW police pursuits in the past 11 years. Some police have flouted the service driving policy for years, while their managers apparently turned a blind eye, the documents reveal.

Four years ago the state pursuit management committee

chairman, Inspector Ron Dorrough, told area commanders the commissioner wanted to curb "the increased and at times flagrant disregard" for the service's safe driving policy.

Police in the field were providing information about high-speed pursuits and collisions so inaccurate or false that it was fraudulent, Inspector Alan Champion, an internal affairs detective, told his fellow committee members in May 1999.

Field commanders and managers were allowing this to happen, he said in a memo. "Under the edict of remaining operational and 'catching the crooks' they are condoning what cannot be tolerated," he said.

In 1997 the committee heard that some police "were not reporting pursuits to avoid being terminated by the duty operations inspector or supervisor". The senior driver in one chase directed all vehicles behind him to end the pursuit.

Even though they included caged trucks that are not allowed to give chase, the drivers did not obey.

The following year the committee heard that a local area commander refused to downgrade a police driver with a gold licence to silver after being involved in five collisions over two years during pursuits because "all offenders were arrested". In 1999 the committee was told that police in some cases did not answer radio operators, failed to give information to those supervising the pursuit when asked and were "providing untruthful information".

It was also told of cases where supervisors terminated pursuits, but police kept the offending vehicle "in sight" - meaning they had disobeyed orders.

In 2002 Sergeant Stephen Geaney, of the Sydney Communications Centre, reported that on several times the information that police involved in pursuits entered into a computerised system "differed dramatically" to the information they gave radio operators during the course of the chase.

Committee minutes last November show its members were still concerned about a "general lack of knowledge on the Safe Driving Policy police-wide".

The NSW Police Association's Mick Hilder noted some local area commands were adopting the policy while others were not.

Inspector John Hartley, the traffic services branch commander, was still writing "please explain" letters to local area commanders about individual pursuits failing to comply with the safe driving policy.

He said yesterday that a policy review had found panels overseeing safe driving "were not operating robustly enough".

Local area and region commanders now had to be more accountable to safe-driver committees. "Access to non-recorded channels has been restricted, which means that police no longer have the ability to broadcast local transmissions including police pursuits that would avoid detection of VKG [police radio operations]," he said.

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/90060-police-and-high-speed/
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • Hi guys, has anyone either purchased or built themselves a rotisserie for their car before? I can only just justify the need for one hence why I should just make one but at the same time, if I make one I can kiss another 4 weeks of potentially productive car working time goodbye because I'm building a bloody rotisserie....  I mainly want it for the application of the body deadener.  Cleaning the old stuff off, priming and then colour over the deadener doesn't worry me, it's just the application using the Schutz Gun that I feel would achieve a significantly better finish painting it side on and keeping the Schutz Gun upright.  I don't think they would work well on the side let alone almost upside down for some areas.  If the product I use (Terosun, etc) could work through a HVLP ok then it might be ok to apply without the rotisserie.   I can get one of these style ones for about $1200 which is pretty good value-     I reckon if I made one it would cost around $500 but it's more the time that it would take is more of a killer than the cost.  They look to hold their value pretty well second hand so I could always sell it after using it and realistically only lose $200-$300 at worst.  Or keep it and buy another project when this one finally sees the light of day... Anyone selling one...? Cheers!  
    • While it is a very nice idea to put card style AFMs into the charge pipe (post intercooler, obviously), the position of the AFM and the recirc valve relative to each other starts to become something that you really have to consider. The situation: The stock AFM is located upstream the turbo, and the recirc valve return is located between the AFM and the turbo inlet, aimed at the turbo inlet, so that it flows away from and not through the AFM. Thus, once metered air is not metered again, neither flowing forwards, or backwards, when vented out of the charge pipe. When you put the AFM between the turbo outlet and the TB, there is a volume of pressurised charge pipe upstream of the AFM and there is a volume of pressurised pipe downstream of the AFM. When the recirc valve opens and vents the charge pipe, air is going to flow from both ends of the charge pipe towards the recirc valve. If the recirc valve is in the stock location, then the section between it and the TB doesn't really matter here - you're not going to try to put the AFM in that piece of pipe. But the AFM will likely be somewhere between the intercooler and the recirc valve, So the entire charge pipe volume from that position (upstream of the AFM, back through the intercooler, to the turbo outlet) is going to flow through the AFM, get registered as combustion air, cause the ECU to fuel for it, but get dumped out of the recirc valve and you will end up with a typical BOV related rich spike. So ideally you want to put the AFM as close to the TB as possible (so, just upstream of the crossover pipe, assuming that the stock crossover is still in use, or, just before the TB if an FFP is being used) and locate the recirc valve at the turbo outlet. Recirc valve at the turbo outlet is the new normal for things like EFRs anyway. In the even of a recirc valve opening dumping all the air in the charge pipe, pretty much all of it is going to go backwards, from the TB to the recirc valve near the turbo outlet. But only a small portion of it (that between the TB and the AFM) will pass through the AFM, and it will pass through going backwards. The card style AFMs are somewhat more immune to reading flow that passes through them in reverse than older AFMs are, so you should absolutely minimise the rich pulse behaviour associated with the unavoidable outcome of having both a recirc valve and an AFM in the charge pipe.
    • Yep, in my case as soon as I started hearing weird noises I backed off the tension until it sounded normal again. Delicate balance between enough tension to avoid that cold start slip and too much damaging things.
    • I'm almost at a point where I feel like changing the alternator. Need to check the stuff you mentioned first though.
×
×
  • Create New...