Sport Compact Rule Change Submissions

[2rismo]

Boof Heads.

How about you all jump in and race in a class, any class, JUST PICK ONE and support this sport by filling fields and racing instead of whinging that the Sport Compact classes are to difficult to race in for your particular ride.

There's a class for just about everyone that falls even vaguely under the S.Compact banner. Get over your petty grievances until you can actually say that you are supporting the future of this sport.

Adrian

[MrBlonde]

And the problem with that is???

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I'll let the RTA explain that to you.

[Sydneykid]

Dude you're a goose, there are a few ways to look at that ruling. One is that the cars are meant to be "street" cars, and should be running stock gearboxes. Another is by restricting the transmissions allowed will encourage cheaper parts.

The reality is that the only OEM parts used by the majority of the qualifying field is the outside case. So a $10,000 PPG box is "worse" than a $4,000 Powerglide? From a breakage point of view too the Powerglide will be cheaper to run and maintain than a dog box. How is that a realistic rule?

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They way I look at is from a performance perspective, not a cost one. I don't think you can write rules that stop people spending money, they will spend whatever they can afford.

The rule writers are obviously of the opinion that the ability to change to a non OEM gearbox is a performance increaser, that's why they handed out a handicap for doing it. My view is that an high stall speed drag auto is worth more than 150lbs in performance, I chose 200lbs based on the weight/performance index.

I am simply saying that 150 lbs is not enough and that 200 lbs is a more accurate reflection, I don't think you should be attacking me on the basis that they don't need a handicap at all. That is already decided and agreed and included in the current regs. If you want to argue cost (which I think is a valid argument by the way) then you need to do just that.

I should emphasise that I am not asking to run a LIGHTWEIGHT R32GTST, all I am asking is to run a STANDARD WEIGHT R32GTST . So I don't think is is either fair or accurate to tell someone with a standard R32GTST to go and race in another class. Because that's what the current regs say.

cheers

Edited November 24, 2005 by Sydneykid

[BU5TER]

I should emphasise that I am not asking to run a LIGHTWEIGHT R32GTST, all I am asking is to run a STANDARD WEIGHT R32GTST .  So I don't think is is either fair or accurate to tell someone with a standard R32GTST to go and race in another class.  Because that's what the current regs say.

cheers

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Sorry Gary but you say your R32 weighs 1180 kgs with roll cage +driver weight but the stock specs for a standard R32 seem to be 1320kg with no cage +driverhttp://imports.motortraders.net/imports/spec.asp?id=668 but you've only made minimal weight reductions and added weight by adding a cage hahaha

So really a STANDARD WEIGHT R32GTST will have no problems at all racing in SRWD class

[Sydneykid]

Sorry Gary but you say your R32 weighs 1180 kgs with roll cage +driver weight but the stock specs for a standard R32 seem to be 1320kg with no cage +driverhttp://imports.motortraders.net/imports/spec.asp?id=668 but you've only made minimal weight reductions and added weight by adding a cage hahaha

So really a STANDARD WEIGHT R32GTST will have no problems at all racing in SRWD class

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I have no idea where they get 1320kgs from, but it isn't correct.

I have the Japan exit weight for mine and it was 1265 kgs, that's a standard 1990 model R32GTST M Spec 2 door with aircon. It had no ABS or sunroof and a little fuel in the tank (not much).

This is an extract by funkymonkey on R32 specs

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...9&hl=definitive

As you can see it quotes 1260 kgs, so mine is no super lightweight. Add an 85 kg driver and you are at 1345 kgs, that means 64 kgs of lead to be added to a stock standard R32GTST.

cheers

[1JZ.747]

Boof Heads.

How about you all jump in and race in a class, any class, JUST PICK ONE and support this sport by filling fields and racing instead of whinging that the Sport Compact classes are to difficult to race in for your particular ride.

There's a class for just about everyone that falls even vaguely under the S.Compact banner.  Get over your petty grievances until you can actually say that you are supporting the future of this sport.

Adrian

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WORD

sport rwd had 98 entires at qld jambo about triple that of sport mod.

[wrxkilla]

exactly the top guys in sport rwd should be advancing into sport mod.

especially when most of those cars fit sports mod rules a whole lot better then sport-rwd....

mick

[1JZ.747]

they have to run slicks to be in sport mod, you cant run street tyres in sport mod.

i dont think the top cars want to run against kier wilson or the 7 sec rx3 from PAC.

exactly the top guys in sport rwd should be advancing into sport mod.

especially when most of those cars fit sports mod rules a whole lot better then sport-rwd....

mick

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[Swiper the Fox]

they have to run slicks to be in sport mod, you cant run street tyres in sport mod.

i dont think the top cars want to run against kier wilson or the 7 sec rx3 from PAC.

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Its DYO so i don't know where the fear comes into it...i think the word thrill comes to mind more than fear.....Anyway....who is Kier Wilson ?

[DoughBoy]

I think Keir's that guy with a stock R32, apparently with some bolt ons he's doing ok.

[blk180]

I think he has two silver GTRs with just bolt on mods

Edited November 25, 2005 by blk180

[wrxkilla]

yeah isnt it a stock rb26 doing 8s?

lol

that'll show those 'stock' 2js

[Swiper the Fox]

yeah isnt it a stock rb26 doing 8s?

lol

that'll show those 'stock' 2js

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ahh yes....i do remember reading about that car in a mag.....an engineering marvel

[Swiper the Fox]

those guys at nissan sure know there stuff!

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Edited November 25, 2005 by DiRTgarage

[MS-75]

Um, I'd like the maximum engine displacement increased from 4.1 to 4.5L........

sean

[wrxkilla]

why?

what motors would you like to include?

remembering we are sports compact. its not about big engine displacement?

mick

[Swiper the Fox]

why?

what motors would you like to include?

remembering we are sports compact. its not about big engine displacement?

mick

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VQ45 Nissan engine is what he wants included.

Does anybody have a rule change suggestion that doesn't directly influence their race car??

Ahh yes there is one person....see second post.

[2rismo]

VQ45 isn't eligible right now - due to the maximum 4.1L displacement rule. Any thoughts on the maximum discplacement rule?

V8's are not currently eligible to run in Sport Compact either. I am open to arguments for and against though. I am yet to be convinced one way or the other as to whether hi-tech, late model injected OHC bent eights should be allowed to run or not.

Adrian

[MrBlonde]

VQ45 isn't eligible right now - due to the maximum 4.1L displacement rule.  Any thoughts on the maximum discplacement rule?

I think it should be the same as the NHRA Sport Compact at 3.5 litres maximum limit.

[MrBlonde]

it will always be dyo,

dyo is harder racing than head up any way, you have to think about it way more.

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DYO is all about preventing racing becoming too expensive for most to compete.

DYO can have it's own moments of excitement, but there's something intrinsically wrong with sandbagging, buttoning off and braking during a drag race.

I think it's a good concept but it can have awkward moments, especially during the infancy of Sport Compact where field sizes are so low. You can get really embarassing ETs for class winners which does not provide excitement for the spectators.

In my experience 99% of spectators do not understand DYO or the handicap starts. If they were better educated they might understand some of the excitement as the quicker car tries to hunt down his competitor and all the drama about should I or shouldn't I at the top end.

Even fewer understand index classes, but then there are none in Sport Compact at the moment.