Wsid Bans Sub 11 Sec Cars From Track Hires

[Swiper the Fox]

does anybody have any ideas on which way we should approach this??

full details here

http://www.dpsmotorsport.com.au/dps/viewtopic.php?p=79#79

[nfs13b]

If anyone wants to organise a 8 car private day I will be in....

[Swiper the Fox]

If anyone wants to organise a 8 car private day I will be in....

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$550...its a bit steep. ANDRA general regs recognise "street cars" to 10.00 and 140 mph so im trying to convince them to align themselves with the governing body's rulebook. wish me luck

[ferni]

Give up on drag and get on a real circuit with corners j/k

[Majanal]

To be longer than 11 seconds just fish (chocko Durries!) the straight!

But seriously Dirt(s), you will be pushing it I think as there is a certain level of unprofessionalism demonstrated by this particular company that just cant be understood.

Of course I'm talking about ... #*%(@$#!

[Swiper the Fox]

To be longer than 11 seconds just fish (chocko Durries!) the straight!

But seriously Dirt(s), you will be pushing it I think as there is a certain level of unprofessionalism demonstrated by this particular company that just cant be understood.

Of course I'm talking about ... #*%(@$#!

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Dan, ANDRA rules recoginse "street registered" vehicles up to 10.00 and 140 MPH. We might try to persuade them to align there "new" track hire rules with the rules of the governing body of the sport, it only makes sense to me. Where did the 11.0 figure come from?? and why is it as long as the car is street registered you can run whatever time you like on Wednesday nights but not at a track hire. It appears that there will be a standard for events they run and another for others.

Oh and by the way...did i mention the ANDRA "street registered" rule.....lol

Edited November 30, 2005 by DiRTgarage

[1JZ.747]

Dan, ANDRA rules recoginse "street registered" vehicles up to 10.00 and 140 MPH. We might try to persuade them to align there "new" track hire rules with the rules of the governing body of the sport, it only makes sense to me. Where did the 11.0 figure come from?? and why is it as long as the car is street registered you can run whatever time you like on Wednesday nights but not at a track hire. It appears that there will be a standard for events they run and another for others.

Oh and by the way...did i mention the ANDRA "street registered" rule.....lol

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goodluck mate, i think that would keep a lot of people happy. i sent them an email along these lines 2 days ago, still havent heard back.

[Beer Baron]

the problem with that logic is that the private days are not run by or sanctioned by ANDRA so they may not see it your way. still worth a try. and if that fails there is a whole circuit 50m west of WSID that is begging for your business, and they will let you drive as fast as you want

[Abo Bob]

They are sanctioned by ANDRA. All drag racing in NSW is sanctioned by ANDRA.

[Morgs]

Consistenly inconsistent?

[PORTS]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what are the noted reasons for excluding sub 11 sec street reg cars on club days? Does it have anything to do with safety, terminal speed or have they just selected a number adhoc. If their reasons are logical, why is there such confusion? Have they stated their reasons anywhere? And if they have, do they make sense?

From memory Alan Jones, radio personality, was heavily involved with the original project and launch of the track.

Would it be fare to say that he may have some interest in this dilemmar??

[MrBlonde]

Dan, ANDRA rules recoginse "street registered" vehicles up to 10.00 and 140 MPH. We might try to persuade them to align there "new" track hire rules with the rules of the governing body of the sport, it only makes sense to me. Where did the 11.0 figure come from??

ANDRA considers cars running as quick as 11.000 as stret cars ... hence Super Street (S/ST) cutoff at 11.000. After that you are shuffled into Super Sedan (SS) and you are now officially a "racecar".

I think that in the past street cars running 10 or quick was not that common. Time moves on.

[Swiper the Fox]

ANDRA considers cars running as quick as 11.000 as stret cars ... hence Super Street (S/ST) cutoff at 11.000. After that you are shuffled into Super Sedan (SS) and you are now officially a "racecar".

I think that in the past street cars running 10 or quick was not that common. Time moves on.

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why do they then make allowances for 10.00+ in the rules??

rule 4.4.7.1 is one that comes to mind

[Abo Bob]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what are the noted reasons for excluding sub 11 sec street reg cars on club days? Does it have anything to do with safety, terminal speed or have they just selected a number adhoc. If their reasons are logical, why is there such confusion? Have they stated their reasons anywhere? And if they have, do they make sense?

From memory Alan Jones, radio personality, was heavily involved with the original project and launch of  the track.

Would it be fare to say that he may have some interest in this dilemmar??

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One of the major problems with private track hires has been that until yesterday there were no officially communicated rules.

They have not at any time published or provided to hirers any reasons.

I have been told by WSID that it is to do with safety, and similar to what Mr Blonde was saying, they are calling cars faster than 11.000 "full blooded race cars".

The safety aspects cited were track preparation and staff numbers. The preparation aspect falls over because I was told that "the track is only prepped to street meet level" and then they allow cars faster than 11.000 at a street meet. And the staff numbers aspect has little credibility because they could easily offer to increase the number of staff to the correct amount for a certain fee but they have not chosen to do so.

[fatz]

you guys will be happy to know hiring circuits is just the same

getting dicked around is part of the fun i recon!!!!

[88silhouette]

bloiody hell it is all so complicated

time we all head to great western highway me thinks!

[NXTIME]

Morgs got it in a nutshell.

Double standards are rife with this "organisation".

Why haven't they also considered the SC classes? Plenty of quick street cars there.

WSID are also now segregating cars into either daily driven street cars, or full blooded race cars. What about those in between? Street driven cars that actually run sub-11's? There are plenty of those about.

Further to your post Adam, WSID now have two types of private track hires: Super Sedan to TF (ANDRA compliant) cars can hire the track @550 each to a maximum of 8 cars (totalling $4,400), which would require much better track preparation and hence cost> However, this is less than half the total they will receive for the other type of private track hire: for "street-registered, daily-driven" club cars, who are charged $220 each with a maximum of 50 cars (~$11,000).

Their logic and justifications just do nott make sense no matter which way you look at it.

[MrBlonde]

why do they then make allowances for 10.00+ in the rules??

rule 4.4.7.1 is one that comes to mind

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4.4.7.1 being the rolebar rather than rollcage for street registered sedans with a fixed steel roof.

It would seem to be an inconsistency, at least in terms of the recent ruling that for private track hire purposes "street registered" vehicles must run 11.000 or slower.

Look I am one of the people who has an ANDRA approved street registered vehicle quicker than 11.000. So I am right there with the people who think this latest ruling needs to be looked at in a bit more detail.

[ido09s]

Aa was said before, Alan Jones was a person who backed the building of this drag strip, might pay to give him a call and let him know whats going on.... we have had some people visiting our workshop regarding the new development taking place to the left of the dirt road leading up to the go kart centre.... i will ask him who is best to send any correspondance to

I was always of the opinion that Jim Read cares of nothing other than Top Fuel.... most disapointing part of it all is that some of us took loads of time out of our lives to fight for this drag strip only to be turned away when we want to use....

[T04GTR]

think the general mood on this one is a bit less scathing and more rational

its very interesting.

"Sydney, NSW) In response to a series of misinformed and inaccurate statements currently being bandied about on a particular website forum concerning changes to its private track hire policy, WSID has decided to take this opportunity to set the record straight."

somhow i think we or other forums pissed them off.

but i agree with all of you regarding the street car limit. i mean if its a quik car that has been propery aproved for racing by ANDRA how come you cant race it?

i mean im no expert and dont have a andra licence buy what if you run your 8.9second un tubbed rx3 with slicks etc. get raped when you come back for the timeslip. and then you get your car up to spec and you readdy to go.

what has dirt or buster had to do?(excuse my ignorance)

i mean how many high 8 and 9 second "street registerd" rotors do you see at a street meet.

what are they raced as? i think a non envasive phonecall so a couple of rotary workshops is in order to find out what or how they get away with it.,or any prominant shop.

if you run slicks its not street legal is it. what about that methanol in the tank?

or do they not have any ANDRA officals or qualified ANDRA inspectors presant at these trackdays incase someone goes quicker?

i think taking a more profetional and civilised aproach to this is the way to go. i mean you -dont bite the hand that feeds you-

any one feel free to coment on my adition, i think i have an idea but corect me if i heeps wrong. cheeres