Pod Legal Issues

[ruffryder]

I went into autobarn today and the guy there was trying to sell me a blitz pod and said that they can install it in a way that will result in no defect notice for me.

I thought all pods will cause issues with the cops, can anyone confirm this with me?

he also said that i dont need a CAI as my car is a turbo, and the air sucked in, whether hot or cold will heat up due to the turbo.

he seemed to know his stuff.

[Jago]

the guy there was trying to sell me a blitz pod

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salesman will say almost anything, trust me, i used to be a salesman in the sporting retail industry, it's like that everywhere.

Cops don't care how discreet it is, the pods have to be boxed up and secure

[RellikZephyr]

as far as i understand (in Vic anyway) Pod filters ARE legal

as long as....

it is a dry element (non oiled type i.e K&N=illegal)

the pod is secured to the chasis (via bracket usually supplied in kits, my Apexi Pods has them)

it is the only intake mod you have (not allowed fmic AND pod, if fmic is not standard)

does not make your car no longer apply to emission laws

Hope that helps

RellikZephyr

[ruffryder]

hey maybe ur right, the pod is a dry element one, as all blitz are, the guy did explain about the bracket that will hold it secure to the chassis. maybe it is legal then... i guess the only issue here is that i have a fmic.

ahh that sucks

maybe i should get a k&n panel filter to replace stock one n modify it to draw up cold air directly somehow.

thanks for the help guys.

[george.bryant]

Thats harsh. Over here in NZ they couldn't give a crap what inlet mods you have done to your vehicle.

[Dingo]

he also said that i dont need a CAI as my car is a turbo, and the air sucked in, whether hot or cold will heat up due to the turbo.

he seemed to know his stuff.

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Technically the air that goes through the turbo is Exhaust so it is indeed hot, which is why the use of intercoolers are needed. The crisper/colder the air the more that can get into the engine.

Hot air expands right? - Therefore it takes up allot of room

Cold air doesnt - therefore theres less of it to take up room so more air and more fuel can be "forced" into the engine.

[someonestolecc]

he seemed to know his stuff.

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Sorry to say it but on both counts he's wrong.

A cop can defect you with a pod - there's no way around it they CAN do it. I have mine engineered and technically they can still defect me for it.

On the second count that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. If you think about it logically you can see he's wrong.

[sproosy]

salesman will say almost anything, trust me, i used to be a salesman in the sporting retail industry, it's like that everywhere.

Cops don't care how discreet it is, the pods have to be boxed up and secure

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Werd to that! You can have a POD as long as it is in a box. There was a post on here ages ago about POD's vs Pannel Filters - Pannel filetsr came out on top. Also it works out easier and cheaper to get a pannell filter because then you dont have to worry about getting a new box for it - it goes straight into the stock airbox.

As for the salesman - he should be shot. Go kick him in the nuts.

[RellikZephyr]

thats not entirely true about the boxed up pod thing

there was a post not too long ago and the guy had a boxed up pod but the cop was still asshole enough to defect him for it

but as long as you have done the right thing then you can take it to court, win and maybe even put that cop behind a desk for 6 months

RellikZephyr

[sproosy]

hmmmmmmmmm. I know of 2 people that have boxed up pods and both have engineers certs for it. They couldnt engineer it if they didnt box them. The workshop had to box the pods so it would be legal and the RTA and EPA were cool with it?

[Savage Bliss]

as far as i understand (in Vic anyway)  Pod filters ARE legal

as long as....

it is a dry element  (non oiled type  i.e K&N=illegal)

the pod is secured to the chasis  (via bracket  usually supplied in kits, my Apexi Pods has them)

it is the only intake mod you have    (not allowed fmic AND pod, if fmic is not standard)

does not make your car no longer apply to emission laws

Hope that helps

RellikZephyr

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What he said.

[scathing]

he also said that i dont need a CAI as my car is a turbo, and the air sucked in, whether hot or cold will heat up due to the turbo.

he seemed to know his stuff.

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If his "stuff" is how to fleece customers by talking a lot of crap, then yes he knows it.

If I were you, I would have just backed away from the salesman slowly, smiled and nodded, and then when I cleared the doors run like hell. Stupidity has a tendency to rub off, and you don't want any of it on you.

Where are you based? The "one intake mod" rule only applies in Victoria.

And as for pod filters, its always a bone of contention. I've spoken to some mechanics in NSW that have passed their blue slip course and were told by their teachers that it was legal. But the cops don't, and so even if its legal you'll get defected.

Better safe than sorry I say, and you'd want to box it in to keep the hot air from your engine bay for performance reasons anyway.

As for the CAI, Autobarn mustn't sell them if the salesman doesn't think they're necessary. Otherwise he'd be telling you that you needed 2 or something. Saying that a CAI is unnecessary because your turbo will heat the air anyway is like saying that getting punched in the face a second time is OK because you've already been punched once.

Your turbo is going to heat the intake air that passes through it. Part of this is through conductance since your turbo is running hot, and the other part is because of the gas laws that states that gas temperature and pressure are linearly related. If one goes up, so does the other.

So, logically, if your air is going to be heated up and hot air is bad for performance, wouldn't it make sense to compress the coldest possible air so your resultant compressed air temperature isn't as high?

[RellikZephyr]

Saying that a CAI is unnecessary because your turbo will heat the air anyway is like saying that getting punched in the face a second time is OK because you've already been punched once.

:lol: well put and very true

CAI is always better than sucking in engine bay air

RellikZephyr

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from wat ive sussed out my 32 has a vent into the stock air box through a slat near the lights and on mums 33 there is a snorkel so wouldnt that be a cai? not a large flow path but still, the question is if u have a pod u will have it suking the hot air from the engine bay, but a stock box with a less restrictive filter with the stock air flow from the front, wat would be better?